From gerv at mozilla.org Tue May 23 10:52:35 2017 From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 11:52:35 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla Meeting for April at 9pm UK time Message-ID: The next monthly Bugzilla public meeting will be on Wednesday April 24th, at 9pm UK time (1pm Pacific, 8pm UTC). http://arewemeetingyet.com/London/2017-05-24/21:00/Bugzilla%20Meeting Agenda is here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Meetings Feel free to add stuff you want to talk about, and see you then :-) Gerv _______________________________________________ dev-apps-bugzilla mailing list dev-apps-bugzilla at lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-apps-bugzilla From dmarshal at yahoo-inc.com Tue May 23 10:55:27 2017 From: dmarshal at yahoo-inc.com (David Marshall) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Auto Response: Bugzilla Meeting for April at 9pm UK time Message-ID: <1502563454.18118.1495536927977@mail.yahoo.com> I'm on vacation until May 30. It may take me a day or two before I reply to your email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerv at mozilla.org Wed May 24 20:18:04 2017 From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:18:04 +0100 Subject: Moving the Bugzilla Meeting: next one is June 7th (1st Wednesday) Message-ID: <_p6dnawwY_Thd7jEnZ2dnUU7-YPNnZ2d@mozilla.org> At the Bugzilla meeting today we agreed to move the meeting from the 4th Wednesday of every month to the 1st Wednesday of every month. Please update your calendars' repetitions. The next meeting will therefore be on June 7th, in two weeks time. As there weren't many of us at this meeting, we've decided to hold that one anyway in the hope that more people will be able to make it :-) Gerv _______________________________________________ dev-apps-bugzilla mailing list dev-apps-bugzilla at lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-apps-bugzilla From gerv at mozilla.org Wed May 24 20:31:21 2017 From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:31:21 +0100 Subject: Getting rid of Landfill? Message-ID: For a long time, the Bugzilla project has run Landfill , a testing and development server. It's had various roles over the years, but right now it just runs some installs of Bugzilla that people can use to try it out. It doesn't run tip installs because "Tip requires Perl 5.14 that's not readily available for CentOS 5." This has been the case for some time now, and doesn't look like getting easily fixed. There's been a sort of plan to upgrade it but no-one has found the time for months. In 2017, do we need this? Developers don't need it - if they need a Bugzilla, they just install one locally, in a VM of some sort if necessary, or use Docker, or whatever. Is it valuable enough to potential users of Bugzilla? The 5.0 install on Landfill seems to have quite a lot of use, but it seems to be mostly by people using it for their own bug tracking, or who are very confused. The reason to get rid of it is that it's barely maintained, and so a possible security risk, and worrying about it takes up developer and volunteer time that could better be spent elsewhere. If we did want a test server, perhaps a simple one running the latest stable version, why don't we just fire up a VM and install one on a modern OS, rather than trying to rebuild the current landfill box? Input on what we should do here is welcome :-) Gerv _______________________________________________ dev-apps-bugzilla mailing list dev-apps-bugzilla at lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-apps-bugzilla From jefffearn at gmail.com Thu May 25 08:28:29 2017 From: jefffearn at gmail.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:28:29 +1000 Subject: Getting rid of Landfill? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a direct response, but this touched on an idea that's been flitting around my mind for a while, should BZ go DevOps? One of the things that really annoys me about old school release cycles is the large time between features being finished and them being released. Every DevOps books is filled with the reasons on why long lead times and huge payloads make software updates expensive and fragile, so I won't cover those, but it'd be nice to not have to deal with them. The reason this email touches on it is because if you do go DevOps then having a testable public instance on your trunk is extremely useful and if Landfill is going to be rebuilt, then it'd be good to take a potential switch to DevOps in to account when doing that. AFAICT BMO have all the things in place to do DevOps with BZ, CI etc, what's left to do is an agreement on the specifics of how to commit/test/qe/release/etc. I know a lot of work has gone in to 6, but if we go DevOps I'd like us to consider reverting to 5 as the trunk and then pulling over feature from 6 to 5 using the DevOps process to get the new stuff released. This will serve as a reasonably robust test of the processes. I'm sure some stuff will need to be reworked but a lot of it should be fairly clean and we'd need to do some management of that list and process. I'm pretty sure I can get some buy-in from work so I could spend some work time pulling over content once the details have been worked out. Thoughts? Cheers, Jeff. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > For a long time, the Bugzilla project has run Landfill > , a testing and development server. It's > had various roles over the years, but right now it just runs some > installs of Bugzilla that people can use to try it out. It doesn't run > tip installs because "Tip requires Perl 5.14 that's not readily > available for CentOS 5." This has been the case for some time now, and > doesn't look like getting easily fixed. There's been a sort of plan to > upgrade it but no-one has found the time for months. > > In 2017, do we need this? Developers don't need it - if they need a > Bugzilla, they just install one locally, in a VM of some sort if > necessary, or use Docker, or whatever. Is it valuable enough to > potential users of Bugzilla? > > The 5.0 install on Landfill seems to have quite a lot of use, but it > seems to be mostly by people using it for their own bug tracking, or who > are very confused. > > The reason to get rid of it is that it's barely maintained, and so a > possible security risk, and worrying about it takes up developer and > volunteer time that could better be spent elsewhere. If we did want a > test server, perhaps a simple one running the latest stable version, why > don't we just fire up a VM and install one on a modern OS, rather than > trying to rebuild the current landfill box? > > Input on what we should do here is welcome :-) > > Gerv > > _______________________________________________ > dev-apps-bugzilla mailing list > dev-apps-bugzilla at lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-apps-bugzilla > - > To view or change your list settings, click here: > -- The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. ? Bertrand Russell, ?The Triumph of Stupidity?, 1933/05/10, *Mortals and Others: Bertrand Russells? American Essays*, 1931?1935.