From raghukumar.c at tavant.com  Mon Apr  1 08:39:06 2013
From: raghukumar.c at tavant.com (Raghu Kumar C)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:39:06 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
In-Reply-To: <5155E880.3000603@mozilla.org>
References: <2080196175.2574171.1364582560485.JavaMail.root@mozilla.com>,<5155E880.3000603@mozilla.org>
Message-ID: <xw9yf0rfknkncvuladdn9r0g.1364714102163@email.android.com>

As an appreciation, I don't think anyone other than Thorsten deserves it.

Sent from my Phone

Gervase Markham wrote:
Hi Bugzilla team,

Who wants a t-shirt, or who do we want to send a t-shirt to?

I've already contacted Thorsten from the support group, who does such
excellent work. Is there anyone else we'd like to reward? We can do more
later, but Jennifer would prefer us to name a batch, for easier admin.

Gerv

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:         Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:42:40 -0700 (PDT)
From:    Jennifer Balaco <jbalaco at mozilla.com>
To:      Gervase Markham <gerv at mozilla.org>
CC:      Dave Miller <justdave at mozilla.com>



Hey Gerv,

If you send a list to me, I will figure out how to get them shipped. I
would prefer to get a more complete list of requests rather than one
offs, if possible.

Cheers,
Jennifer

------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From: *"Gervase Markham" <gerv at mozilla.org>
*To: *"Jennifer Balaco" <jbalaco at mozilla.com>
*Cc: *"Dave Miller" <justdave at mozilla.com>
*Sent: *Friday, March 29, 2013 2:45:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: Bugzilla t-shirts

On 29/03/13 00:06, Jennifer Balaco wrote:
> The t-shirts will be placed in the Mountain View gear closet tomorrow.

Awesome, thank you :-) In order to get a t-shirt sent to this one
particular contributor I've been trying to reward for months, who would
I talk to? Would that be you?

If so, would you prefer if the team got together and had a think about
all the people we'd like to send them to (it won't be a large number)
rather than having the odd request here and there?

Again, thanks for your help,

Gerv




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From raghukumar.c at tavant.com  Mon Apr  1 10:02:14 2013
From: raghukumar.c at tavant.com (Raghu Kumar C)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:02:14 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
In-Reply-To: <xw9yf0rfknkncvuladdn9r0g.1364714102163@email.android.com>
References: <2080196175.2574171.1364582560485.JavaMail.root@mozilla.com>,<5155E880.3000603@mozilla.org>,<xw9yf0rfknkncvuladdn9r0g.1364714102163@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <D07475682BFBC64C89869F846174B4010DDC4BA6@BLRCSWEXV02.in.corp.tavant.com>

I only meant about people in the Support group.
________________________________________
From: developers-owner at bugzilla.org [developers-owner at bugzilla.org] on behalf of Raghu Kumar C [raghukumar.c at tavant.com]
Sent: 01 April 2013 14:09
To: developers at bugzilla.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Bugzilla t-shirts

As an appreciation, I don't think anyone other than Thorsten deserves it.

Sent from my Phone

Gervase Markham wrote:
Hi Bugzilla team,

Who wants a t-shirt, or who do we want to send a t-shirt to?

I've already contacted Thorsten from the support group, who does such
excellent work. Is there anyone else we'd like to reward? We can do more
later, but Jennifer would prefer us to name a batch, for easier admin.

Gerv

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:         Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:42:40 -0700 (PDT)
From:    Jennifer Balaco <jbalaco at mozilla.com>
To:      Gervase Markham <gerv at mozilla.org>
CC:      Dave Miller <justdave at mozilla.com>



Hey Gerv,

If you send a list to me, I will figure out how to get them shipped. I
would prefer to get a more complete list of requests rather than one
offs, if possible.

Cheers,
Jennifer

------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From: *"Gervase Markham" <gerv at mozilla.org>
*To: *"Jennifer Balaco" <jbalaco at mozilla.com>
*Cc: *"Dave Miller" <justdave at mozilla.com>
*Sent: *Friday, March 29, 2013 2:45:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: Bugzilla t-shirts

On 29/03/13 00:06, Jennifer Balaco wrote:
> The t-shirts will be placed in the Mountain View gear closet tomorrow.

Awesome, thank you :-) In order to get a t-shirt sent to this one
particular contributor I've been trying to reward for months, who would
I talk to? Would that be you?

If so, would you prefer if the team got together and had a think about
all the people we'd like to send them to (it won't be a large number)
rather than having the odd request here and there?

Again, thanks for your help,

Gerv




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From Aakash_Singhal01 at infosys.com  Mon Apr  8 09:53:01 2013
From: Aakash_Singhal01 at infosys.com (Aakash Singhal01)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:53:01 +0000
Subject: Issue faced in bugzilla installation
Message-ID: <4BCA2011FA67BE49B1F92BB540ADBA912A7FF8E0@BLRKECMBX13.ad.infosys.com>


Hi,
We are trying to use bugzilla ticketing system for our project.
We have bugzilla with us and have installed perl in C drive.
When I try to run Below mentioned command :
C:\Bugzilla>checksetup.pl --check-modules

I get the following error.

Checking perl modules...
Checking for               CGI.pm (v3.51)     ok: found v3.62
Checking for           Digest-SHA (any)       ok: found v5.72
Checking for             TimeDate (v2.21)     not found
Checking for             DateTime (v0.28)     not found
Checking for    DateTime-TimeZone (v0.79)     not found
Checking for                  DBI (v1.614)    ok: found v1.622
Checking for     Template-Toolkit (v2.22)     not found
Checking for           Email-Send (v2.16)     not found
Checking for           Email-MIME (v1.904)    not found
Checking for                  URI (v1.37)     ok: found v1.60
Checking for       List-MoreUtils (v0.22)     ok: found v0.33
Checking for    Math-Random-ISAAC (v1.0.1)    not found
Checking for                Win32 (v0.35)     ok: found v0.45
Checking for            Win32-API (v0.55)     ok: found v0.73

Checking available perl DBD modules...
Checking for               DBD-Pg (v1.45)     ok: found v2.19.3
Checking for            DBD-mysql (v4.001)    not found
Checking for           DBD-SQLite (v1.29)     ok: found v1.37
Checking for           DBD-Oracle (v1.19)     ok: found v1.50

The following Perl modules are optional:
Checking for                   GD (v1.20)     ok: found v2.46
Checking for                Chart (v2.1)      not found
Checking for          Template-GD (any)       not found
Checking for           GDTextUtil (any)       ok: found v0.86
Checking for              GDGraph (any)       ok: found v1.44
Checking for           MIME-tools (v5.406)    not found
Checking for          libwww-perl (any)       ok: found v6.04
Checking for             XML-Twig (any)       not found
Checking for          PatchReader (v0.9.6)    not found
Checking for            perl-ldap (any)       not found
Checking for          Authen-SASL (any)       not found
Checking for           RadiusPerl (any)       not found
Checking for            SOAP-Lite (v0.712)    not found
Checking for             JSON-RPC (any)       not found
Checking for              JSON-XS (v2.0)      not found
Checking for           Test-Taint (any)       not found
Checking for          HTML-Parser (v3.67)     ok: found v3.69
Checking for        HTML-Scrubber (any)       not found
Checking for               Encode (v2.21)     ok: found v2.47
Checking for        Encode-Detect (any)       not found
Checking for Email-MIME-Attachment-Stripper (any)       not found
Checking for          Email-Reply (any)       not found
Checking for          TheSchwartz (any)       not found
Checking for       Daemon-Generic (any)       not found
Checking for             mod_perl (v1.999022) not found
Checking for     Apache-SizeLimit (v0.96)     not found
***********************************************************************
* REQUIRED MODULES                                                    *
***********************************************************************
* Bugzilla requires you to install some Perl modules which are either *
* missing from your system, or the version on your system is too old. *
* See below for commands to install these modules.                    *
***********************************************************************
* OPTIONAL MODULES                                                    *
***********************************************************************
* Certain Perl modules are not required by Bugzilla, but by           *
* installing the latest version you gain access to additional         *
* features.                                                           *
*                                                                     *
* The optional modules you do not have installed are listed below,    *
* with the name of the feature they enable. Below that table are the  *
* commands to install each module.                                    *
***********************************************************************
*                    MODULE NAME * ENABLES FEATURE(S)                 *
***********************************************************************
*                          Chart * New Charts, Old Charts             *
*                    Template-GD * Graphical Reports                  *
*                     MIME-tools * Move Bugs Between Installations    *
*                       XML-Twig * Move Bugs Between Installations, Automatic Up
date Notifications *
*                    PatchReader * Patch Viewer                       *
*                      perl-ldap * LDAP Authentication                *
*                    Authen-SASL * SMTP Authentication                *
*                     RadiusPerl * RADIUS Authentication              *
*                      SOAP-Lite * XML-RPC Interface                  *
*                       JSON-RPC * JSON-RPC Interface                 *
*                        JSON-XS * Make JSON-RPC Faster               *
*                     Test-Taint * JSON-RPC Interface, XML-RPC Interface *
*                  HTML-Scrubber * More HTML in Product/Group Descriptions *
*                  Encode-Detect * Automatic charset detection for text attachme
nts *
* Email-MIME-Attachment-Stripper * Inbound Email                      *
*                    Email-Reply * Inbound Email                      *
*                    TheSchwartz * Mail Queueing                      *
*                 Daemon-Generic * Mail Queueing                      *
*                       mod_perl * mod_perl                           *
*               Apache-SizeLimit * mod_perl                           *
***********************************************************************
COMMANDS TO INSTALL OPTIONAL MODULES:

          Chart: ppm install Chart
    Template-GD: ppm install Template-GD
     MIME-tools: ppm install MIME-tools
       XML-Twig: ppm install XML-Twig
    PatchReader: ppm install PatchReader
      perl-ldap: ppm install perl-ldap
    Authen-SASL: ppm install Authen-SASL
     RadiusPerl: ppm install RadiusPerl
      SOAP-Lite: ppm install SOAP-Lite
       JSON-RPC: ppm install JSON-RPC
        JSON-XS: ppm install JSON-XS
     Test-Taint: ppm install Test-Taint
  HTML-Scrubber: ppm install HTML-Scrubber
  Encode-Detect: ppm install Encode-Detect
Email-MIME-Attachment-Stripper: ppm install Email-MIME-Attachment-Stripper
    Email-Reply: ppm install Email-Reply
    TheSchwartz: ppm install TheSchwartz
Daemon-Generic: ppm install Daemon-Generic
       mod_perl: ppm install mod_perl
Apache-SizeLimit: ppm install Apache-SizeLimit

COMMANDS TO INSTALL REQUIRED MODULES (You *must* run all these commands
and then re-run checksetup.pl):

    ppm install TimeDate
    ppm install DateTime
    ppm install DateTime-TimeZone
    ppm install Template-Toolkit
    ppm install Email-Send
    ppm install Email-MIME
    ppm install Math-Random-ISAAC
*** Installation aborted. Read the messages above. ***


C:\Bugzilla>install-module.pl DateTime
You cannot run this script when using ActiveState Perl. Please follow
the instructions given by checksetup.pl to install missing Perl modules.


C:\Bugzilla> ppm install TimeDate
Downloading ActiveState Package Repository packlist...failed 500 Can't connect t
o ppm4.activestate.com:80 (Bad hostname)
Downloading UWinnipeg packlist...failed 500 Can't connect to cpan.uwinnipeg.ca:8
0 (Bad hostname)
Downloading Trouchelle packlist...failed 500 Can't connect to trouchelle.com:80
(Bad hostname)
ppm install failed: Can't find any package that provides TimeDate

please tell the resolution ASAP.


Aakash Singhal
Products Platforms and Solutions.
[Infosys_assistedge_Logo (descriptor)]
Infosys Limited. ECSPPS
Rajiv Gandhi Infotech Park,Phase- 2,
Village Mann, Pune - 411057, India.
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From lpsolit at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 10:37:17 2013
From: lpsolit at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYyBCdWNsaW4=?=)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:37:17 +0200
Subject: Issue faced in bugzilla installation
In-Reply-To: <4BCA2011FA67BE49B1F92BB540ADBA912A7FF8E0@BLRKECMBX13.ad.infosys.com>
References: <4BCA2011FA67BE49B1F92BB540ADBA912A7FF8E0@BLRKECMBX13.ad.infosys.com>
Message-ID: <5163EF5D.1060306@gmail.com>

Le 08. 04. 13 11:53, Aakash Singhal01 a ?crit :
> C:\Bugzilla> ppm install TimeDate
> Downloading ActiveState Package Repository packlist...failed 500 Can't connect t
> o ppm4.activestate.com:80 (Bad hostname)
> Downloading UWinnipeg packlist...failed 500 Can't connect to cpan.uwinnipeg.ca:8
> 0 (Bad hostname)
> Downloading Trouchelle packlist...failed 500 Can't connect to trouchelle.com:80
> (Bad hostname)
> ppm install failed: Can't find any package that provides TimeDate
> 
> please tell the resolution ASAP.


This is a support question. Please look at
http://www.bugzilla.org/support for help. Looks like your network has
some trouble. Nothing we can do here. Sorry!

LpSolit



From kkpalli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 19:13:46 2013
From: kkpalli at gmail.com (kkpalli at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla 3.6.2
Message-ID: <f7d437d0-4748-4be0-b9ac-8c4dd23b8105@googlegroups.com>

Hello,

I am searching for How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla 3.6.2.detail below.

I have installed and configured the Bugzilla 3.6.2 in Windows 2003 Server with 64 bit and I am trying to configure the Mail a bug in Bugilla version 3.6.2 since last 2 months but I did not find any document.

can you please send me the configuration details.

Regards,
Kranthi Pll.
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From lpsolit at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 19:18:48 2013
From: lpsolit at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Buclin?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:18:48 +0200
Subject: How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla 3.6.2
In-Reply-To: <f7d437d0-4748-4be0-b9ac-8c4dd23b8105@googlegroups.com>
References: <f7d437d0-4748-4be0-b9ac-8c4dd23b8105@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <516B0118.2060402@gmail.com>

Le 14. 04. 13 21:13, kkpalli at gmail.com a ?crit :
> I am searching for How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla 3.6.2.detail below.

Please use the support mailing-list for questions about how to configure
Bugzilla, see http://www.bugzilla.org/support.

LpSolit



From raf.news at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 18:44:01 2013
From: raf.news at gmail.com (Rafnews)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:44:01 +0200
Subject: how to fix bugzilla 4.4 to work with MySQL 5.6
Message-ID: <516AF8F1.9070404@gmail.com>

Hi,

i fixed a bug to make bugzilla works under MySQL 5.6.
in fact, in /Bugzilla/DB/mysql.pm file on line 310, you need to replace 
(improve code) with the following code:
my ($innodb_on) = @{$self->selectcol_arrayref(
         # q{SHOW VARIABLES LIKE '%have_innodb%'}, {Columns=>[2]})};
         q{SELECT * FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.ENGINES WHERE ENGINE LIKE 
'%Innodb'}, {Columns=>[2]})};
     #if ($innodb_on ne 'YES') {
     if ($innodb_on eq 'NO') {
         die install_string('mysql_innodb_disabled');
     }

in fact in MySQL 5.6 variable have_innodb does not exist anymore instead 
of that you need to use: SELECT * FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.ENGINES WHERE 
ENGINE LIKE '%Innodb' and to test with NO as it can be DEFAULT or YES 
for SUPPORT column.

HTH.

Alain R.
www.rogtek.com
www.facebook.com/rogtek



From sgreen at redhat.com  Sun Apr 14 23:50:21 2013
From: sgreen at redhat.com (Simon Green)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:50:21 +1000
Subject: how to fix bugzilla 4.4 to work with MySQL 5.6
In-Reply-To: <516AF8F1.9070404@gmail.com>
References: <516AF8F1.9070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516B40BD.1020905@redhat.com>

On 15/04/13 04:44, Rafnews wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i fixed a bug to make bugzilla works under MySQL 5.6.
> in fact, in /Bugzilla/DB/mysql.pm file on line 310, you need to replace
> (improve code) with the following code:

The proper fix for this issue is at
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852560

And will be in the next version of Bugzilla 4.0 and up.

-- 
Regards,

Simon Green
Software Engineer
Red Hat Asia Pacific Pty Ltd


From gerv at mozilla.org  Tue Apr 16 10:35:22 2013
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:35:22 +0100
Subject: How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla 3.6.2
In-Reply-To: <f7d437d0-4748-4be0-b9ac-8c4dd23b8105@googlegroups.com>
References: <f7d437d0-4748-4be0-b9ac-8c4dd23b8105@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <95ednQTSeYL3tPDMnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@mozilla.org>

On 14/04/13 20:13, kkpalli at gmail.com wrote:
> I am searching for How to configure Mail as bug in Widnows Bugzilla
> 3.6.2.detail below.
> 
> I have installed and configured the Bugzilla 3.6.2 in Windows 2003
> Server with 64 bit and I am trying to configure the Mail a bug in
> Bugilla version 3.6.2 since last 2 months but I did not find any
> document.
> 
> can you please send me the configuration details.

You need to ask support questions in the right group:
https://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#support-bugzilla

Gerv
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From justdave at bugzilla.org  Mon Apr 22 19:53:45 2013
From: justdave at bugzilla.org (Dave Miller)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:53:45 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
In-Reply-To: <5155E880.3000603@mozilla.org>
References: <2080196175.2574171.1364582560485.JavaMail.root@mozilla.com> <5155E880.3000603@mozilla.org>
Message-ID: <51759549.70603@bugzilla.org>

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Just to let everyone know, we're probably not going to have these
available for purchase right now.  We've got a limited quantity of them
and we're not really in a position to do reprints at the moment, so
we're going to try to save them for "reward swag".

Gervase Markham wrote:
> Hi Bugzilla team,
> 
> Who wants a t-shirt, or who do we want to send a t-shirt to?
> 
> I've already contacted Thorsten from the support group, who does
> such excellent work. Is there anyone else we'd like to reward? We can
> do more later, but Jennifer would prefer us to name a batch, for
> easier admin.
> 
> Gerv
> 
> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 	Re: Bugzilla t-shirts 
> Date: 	Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: 	Jennifer Balaco
> <jbalaco at mozilla.com> To: 	Gervase Markham <gerv at mozilla.org> CC:
> Dave Miller <justdave at mozilla.com>
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Gerv,
> 
> If you send a list to me, I will figure out how to get them shipped.
> I would prefer to get a more complete list of requests rather than
> one offs, if possible.
> 
> Cheers, Jennifer
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 
*From: *"Gervase Markham" <gerv at mozilla.org>
> *To: *"Jennifer Balaco" <jbalaco at mozilla.com> *Cc: *"Dave Miller"
> <justdave at mozilla.com> *Sent: *Friday, March 29, 2013 2:45:15 AM 
> *Subject: *Re: Bugzilla t-shirts
> 
> On 29/03/13 00:06, Jennifer Balaco wrote:
>> The t-shirts will be placed in the Mountain View gear closet
>> tomorrow.
> 
> Awesome, thank you :-) In order to get a t-shirt sent to this one 
> particular contributor I've been trying to reward for months, who
> would I talk to? Would that be you?
> 
> If so, would you prefer if the team got together and had a think
> about all the people we'd like to send them to (it won't be a large
> number) rather than having the odd request here and there?
> 
> Again, thanks for your help,
> 
> Gerv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - To view or change your list settings, click here: 
> <http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=justdave at bugzilla.org>

- -- 
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IT Infrastructure Engineer, Mozilla http://www.mozilla.org/
Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System http://www.bugzilla.org/

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From mtb19 at columbia.edu  Wed Apr 24 20:27:05 2013
From: mtb19 at columbia.edu (Matthew Bogosian)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:27:05 -0700
Subject: Old Discussion: Python Implementation? (Bugzilla:Languages)
Message-ID: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>

I have been casually fantasizing about reimplementing Bugzilla in Python. I am aware of the Bugzilla:Languages page (and corresponding discussion page), but note that it hasn't undergone any revisions for over four years, and a lot has changed since then. For example, many of the "Cons" listed under Python may have been addressed in later releases, especially v3.***

If I were to make a sincere effort, I would concentrate on producing a faithful replica of the stable branch (with refactoring where appropriate to bridge any gap between the two languages/architectures/libraries such as template engines). In other words, I would not make any attempt to fix design issues or add new features in order to preserve as much value of the existing knowledge base as possible. Obviously competent help would be greatly appreciated, as this would not be my day job.

However, I am reluctant to embark on such an undertaking without having some assurances that the effort would be useful, or that it would be a realistic candidate for becoming the adopted standard (assuming I do my part to competently comport with existing bugzilla philosophies, standards, and conventions wherever possible).

I have two questions:

1) If I was magically done today (with some approval of validity by existing developers), what is the likelihood that a Python implementation would (sometime over the following 6-12 months) be adopted as the primary architecture? I.E., how much inertia can realistically be attributed to Perl as an architecture (including comfort, emotional attachment, institutional knowledge, etc.)?

2) Assuming a 60%-or-better chance of adoption, does any onlooker have the desire and ability to assist (specifically with a Python "port")?****

Thanks, and I look forward to any discussion.


    --Matt


*** This e-mail is not directly intended to trigger a debate of tradeoffs, but such a debate may be necessary before my questions may be meaningfully answered. I'm guessing the biggest hurdle Python faces is a lack of a built-in "taint" mode which would necessitate the adoption of different coding standards/conventions. (There is an academic project which claims to provide similar functionality, but I've never used it, and I don't know anything about its performance.)

I know that the subject has been briefly broached several times on this list, but not substantively as far as I can tell.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have more experience with Python than Perl. I like Python. I do not like Perl. For the sake of this discussion, please consider this a disclosure of my emotional biases and attribute no weight to them.

**** Before answering, you should be aware that this would be a substantial undertaking. I say this only because I am trying to realistically gauge sincere interest.

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From sdaugherty at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 22:44:53 2013
From: sdaugherty at gmail.com (Stephanie Daugherty)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:44:53 -0400
Subject: Old Discussion: Python Implementation? (Bugzilla:Languages)
In-Reply-To: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
References: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <CAB9zhUvv4DunPLLA4Yg5R_NeNBAxF55aY+yDg0fyR9FtuSDVVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure honestly what the desirability of a port would be at this
stage, but I'm guessing if it happened, it would be in order to bring it in
line with the same frameworks and standards that other Mozilla web projects
such as AMO follow... ie ( https://github.com/mozilla/playdoh)

Might be interesting to see... but really can't say what the demand for it
would be.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Matthew Bogosian <mtb19 at columbia.edu>wrote:

> I have been casually fantasizing about reimplementing Bugzilla in Python.
> I am aware of the Bugzilla:Languages page<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Languages> (and
> corresponding discussion page<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla_Talk:Languages>),
> but note that it hasn't undergone any revisions for over four years, and a
> lot has changed since then. For example, many of the "Cons" listed under
> Python may have been addressed in later releases, especially v3.***
>
> If I were to make a sincere effort, I would concentrate on producing a
> faithful replica of the stable branch (with refactoring where appropriate
> to bridge any gap between the two languages/architectures/libraries such as
> template engines). In other words, I would not make any attempt to fix
> design issues or add new features in order to preserve as much value of the existing
> knowledge base<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Bugzilla> as
> possible. Obviously competent help would be greatly appreciated, as this
> would not be my day job.
>
> However, I am reluctant to embark on such an undertaking without having
> some assurances that the effort would be useful, or that it would be a
> realistic candidate for becoming the adopted standard (assuming I do my
> part to competently comport with existing bugzilla philosophies, standards,
> and conventions wherever possible).
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1) If I was magically done today (with some approval of validity by
> existing developers), what is the likelihood that a Python implementation
> would (sometime over the following 6-12 months) be adopted as the primary
> architecture? I.E., how much inertia can realistically be attributed to
> Perl as an architecture (including comfort, emotional attachment,
> institutional knowledge, etc.)?
>
> 2) Assuming a 60%-or-better chance of adoption, does any onlooker have the
> desire and ability to assist (specifically with a Python "port")?****
>
> Thanks, and I look forward to any discussion.
>
>
>     --Matt
>
>
> *** This e-mail is not directly intended to trigger a debate of tradeoffs,
> but such a debate may be necessary before my questions may be meaningfully
> answered. I'm guessing the biggest hurdle Python faces is a lack of a
> built-in "taint" mode which would necessitate the adoption of different
> coding standards/conventions. (There is an academic project<http://revista.python.org.ar/1/html-en/taint.html> which
> claims to provide similar functionality, but I've never used it, and I
> don't know anything about its performance.)
>
> I know that the subject has been briefly broached several<https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=ossipov at inf.fu-berlin.de&passw=&list=developers&brief=on&func=archive-get-part&extra=200210/67>
>  times<https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=benwei at veriwave.com&passw=&list=developers&brief=on&func=archive-get-part&extra=200903/20> on
> this list, but not substantively as far as I can tell.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I have more experience with Python
> than Perl. I *like* Python. I do not like Perl. For the sake of this
> discussion, please consider this a disclosure of my emotional biases and
> attribute no weight to them.
>
> **** Before answering, you should be aware that this would be a substantial
> undertaking <http://www.ohloh.net/p/bugzilla>. I say this only because I
> am trying to realistically gauge sincere interest.
>
>
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From gerv at mozilla.org  Thu Apr 25 10:23:37 2013
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:23:37 +0100
Subject: Old Discussion: Python Implementation? (Bugzilla:Languages)
In-Reply-To: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
References: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <51790429.2020709@mozilla.org>

On 24/04/13 21:27, Matthew Bogosian wrote:
> 1) If I was magically done today (with some approval of validity by
> existing developers), what is the likelihood that a Python
> implementation would (sometime over the following 6-12 months) be
> adopted as the primary architecture? I.E., how much inertia can
> realistically be attributed to Perl as an architecture (including
> comfort, emotional attachment, institutional knowledge, etc.)?

Questions which assume things which aren't true or possible can be
answered any way :-) It's called "hypothesis contrary to fact".

Bugzilla is the result of an awesomely large amount of work, is still
being actively developed, and has people writing significantly-sized
addons and customizations (e.g. bmo). In order for the core Bugzilla
community to switch, the port would need to have achieved the same level
of reliability and stability as the current code, and BMO would need to
be able to switch. (Otherwise, half the community would need to spend
their time hacking on the old codebase, and that would make your job
harder as you try and keep up with them.)

A few years ago, it might have been possible for Mozilla to switch. As
things are, with dkl and glob doing so much customization work and
Mozilla-driven enhancements, and with Bugzilla being such a core bit of
software and needing such high availability and reliability, it seems to
me that the chances of a switch are very, very small.

> 2) Assuming a 60%-or-better chance of adoption, does any onlooker have
> the desire and ability to assist (specifically with a Python "port")?****

I think you would be better off writing a new bug tracker, or
contributing to one already written in the language you like.

People still maintain COBOL code today. I see no reason why Bugzilla in
Perl 5 cannot be maintained for another 20 years.

Gerv


From gabor at szabgab.com  Thu Apr 25 06:38:12 2013
From: gabor at szabgab.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:38:12 +0300
Subject: Old Discussion: Python Implementation? (Bugzilla:Languages)
In-Reply-To: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
References: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <CABe4FJCmz4ofZg-sn7K8dhPo1i0VC9YBKW12-jejjQ+CUDO18A@mail.gmail.com>

Given that you don't want to change the features nor the architecture,
I wonder what is that a Python port would accomplish?
What issue(s) are you trying to fix?

Gabor


From jateater at lexmark.com  Mon Apr 29 16:55:04 2013
From: jateater at lexmark.com (jkteater)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: bug data from Bugzilla 2.2.2 to Bugzilla 4.2.5
Message-ID: <1367254504289-278757.post@n7.nabble.com>

I just currently built a new server.  On the server, I installed Bugzilla
4.2.5 as well as the latest versions or perl, mysql, apache, etc....

My previous installation of Bugzilla was 2.2.2 is installed on a server
reaching end of life.  

My initial plans was for my team to start using 4.2.5 with any new bugs. 
There would be no legacy data on the new install.  My team really likes
4.2.5, some of the functionality like "Deadline, Orig. Estimations, etc..

There has been to custom fields or anything changes to the Out Of The Box
UI.

Now that old server is about to be taken down and out of business.  My team
is asking if I can import the data from Bugzilla 2.2.2 and store it as
archive data.

I am afraid that the versions are so far apart, that the database schema's
has to be different.  And this can not be a easy migration.  I have seen
post about how to migrate the old database to new Bugzilla install. They
create a new bugs database and places the data there.  

But I don't want to lose anything from 4.2.5.  I want to keep all the tables
and fields from 4.2.5.

Is it possible to have a separate project in Bugzilla 4.2.5 that reads from
a different database other than bugs.  That project can be a archive project
and used only for reading.  So then I could create a achieve_bugs data and
migrate old data to it?

I am open to any suggestions or procedures that will do what I am asking.

Quick Rehash:
Bugzilla 4.2.5 up and running on a new server.
Want to add Bugzilla 2.2.2 data without interfering with 4.2.5
functionality. 







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From gerv at mozilla.org  Tue Apr 30 09:44:54 2013
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:44:54 +0100
Subject: bug data from Bugzilla 2.2.2 to Bugzilla 4.2.5
In-Reply-To: <1367254504289-278757.post@n7.nabble.com>
References: <1367254504289-278757.post@n7.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <517F9296.4090606@mozilla.org>

On 29/04/13 17:55, jkteater wrote:
> I just currently built a new server.  On the server, I installed Bugzilla
> 4.2.5 as well as the latest versions or perl, mysql, apache, etc....

Thank you for your message. However, if you are seeking community
support for Bugzilla, please see http://www.bugzilla.org/support/ , and
then post your message in the mozilla.support.bugzilla newsgroup.

Many thanks :-)

Gerv



From d_lindsay at dell.com  Tue Apr 30 23:52:22 2013
From: d_lindsay at dell.com (lindsay)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Old Discussion: Python Implementation? (Bugzilla:Languages)
In-Reply-To: <51790429.2020709@mozilla.org>
References: <E42E2ED3-87A0-4678-8F42-ADFFB272C2B0@columbia.edu> <51790429.2020709@mozilla.org>
Message-ID: <1367365942332-278916.post@n7.nabble.com>

>> People still maintain COBOL code today. I see no reason why Bugzilla in
Perl 5 cannot be maintained for another 20 years.

Yes, COBOL gets maintained. But major new features get coded elsewhere, in
some other language/framework that isn't COBOL, and then the COBOL app
communicates with the elsewhere.

If your plan for Bugzilla's progress is to have Bugzilla communicate via
RESTful interfaces (or whatever replaces REST), then yes, the codebase
inside those interfaces can be with us for a great many years. If your plan
for progress involves a fair bit of extension to the core codebase, then a
plugins structure would be a good investment.  Python has a good story when
it comes to plugins.

So I think that's the issue.  Is the core stable/done, or will it grow
significantly ?

Don




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