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[Gabor Szabo]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Max Kanat-Alexander
<mkanat at bugzilla.org> wrote:
> On 02/11/2010 02:22 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> Maybe it is just me and no one of the other use.perl.org readers think
>> the same but I am still not sure if the Bugzilla team likes the fact
>> that it is written in Perl or that you hate every inch of it?
>
>        I think that we talked about this in one of our Bugzilla Meetings, and
> basically, Bugzilla is written in Perl, and it's written in Perl no
> matter whether each of us loves it or hates it.

If you mean the one that I was also involved then yes I remember a statement
similar to this one.

>        It's a programming language, a tool to and end. I don't think it's an
> emotional issue, it's just a technical fact that Bugzilla is in Perl.

I read this once in a while but then I see many people - maybe different ones,
maybe the same - act as if it was emotional.

Personally I think without emotions most people would not be involved in the
Perl (or any other) community.

>> Also - again IMHO - Bugzilla needs to send the message of using
>> *modern tools* in its development. (e.g. CVS  still being the
>> recommended way to fetch the source code is NOT sending this
>> messages).
>
>        The switch happened just days ago, and pretty much all the developer
> documentation is written by me, in addition to almost all the
> administrative details of the project being done by me, in addition to
> 50% or more of the development of the project being done by me, and I'm
> not getting paid for any of it. So yes, I agree that the documentation
> needs to be fixed, and it will be done soon.
>
>        However, CVS is still going to be easier for some people than bzr,
> because far more people are familiar with CVS. So we'll keep around some
> CVS instructions as well.

Err, I think there was a miscommunication on my part.
I was trying the stress that fact that the move to Bazar is a very
positive step.

Maybe technically it would be easier for many people to use CVS than to
learn the few basic commands Bazar needs to get started but I think the
emotions will quickly kick in. (Even with SVN I keep getting comments that
people are not involved in Padre because they want to use Git)


>> the local::lib/PERL5LIB stuff I am trying to patch,
>
>        You're actually the first person ever to mention a problem with it, I
> believe. :-) Otherwise we would have fixed it earlier.

Someone has to be the first one for every issue :-)

>> not using Makefile.PL or Build.PL,
>> not using "standard" CPAN layout:
>
>        Mmm, I tend to think that, at the moment, installation would actually
> become more difficult than it is now,

We could try to build a CPAN distro but explicitly turning off the
"install" target and telling people the installation is still the same
as earlier. That one could be uploaded do CPAN as a developer release
and then we could work out the specific issues with frequent new
developer releases to CPAN that mostly will try to address the
packaging and installation issues.

regards
   Gabor