Gabor Szabo szabgab at
Sat Feb 13 15:41:36 UTC 2010

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Max Kanat-Alexander
<mkanat at> wrote:
> On 02/11/2010 02:22 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> Maybe it is just me and no one of the other readers think
>> the same but I am still not sure if the Bugzilla team likes the fact
>> that it is written in Perl or that you hate every inch of it?
>        I think that we talked about this in one of our Bugzilla Meetings, and
> basically, Bugzilla is written in Perl, and it's written in Perl no
> matter whether each of us loves it or hates it.

If you mean the one that I was also involved then yes I remember a statement
similar to this one.

>        It's a programming language, a tool to and end. I don't think it's an
> emotional issue, it's just a technical fact that Bugzilla is in Perl.

I read this once in a while but then I see many people - maybe different ones,
maybe the same - act as if it was emotional.

Personally I think without emotions most people would not be involved in the
Perl (or any other) community.

>> Also - again IMHO - Bugzilla needs to send the message of using
>> *modern tools* in its development. (e.g. CVS  still being the
>> recommended way to fetch the source code is NOT sending this
>> messages).
>        The switch happened just days ago, and pretty much all the developer
> documentation is written by me, in addition to almost all the
> administrative details of the project being done by me, in addition to
> 50% or more of the development of the project being done by me, and I'm
> not getting paid for any of it. So yes, I agree that the documentation
> needs to be fixed, and it will be done soon.
>        However, CVS is still going to be easier for some people than bzr,
> because far more people are familiar with CVS. So we'll keep around some
> CVS instructions as well.

Err, I think there was a miscommunication on my part.
I was trying the stress that fact that the move to Bazar is a very
positive step.

Maybe technically it would be easier for many people to use CVS than to
learn the few basic commands Bazar needs to get started but I think the
emotions will quickly kick in. (Even with SVN I keep getting comments that
people are not involved in Padre because they want to use Git)

>> the local::lib/PERL5LIB stuff I am trying to patch,
>        You're actually the first person ever to mention a problem with it, I
> believe. :-) Otherwise we would have fixed it earlier.

Someone has to be the first one for every issue :-)

>> not using Makefile.PL or Build.PL,
>> not using "standard" CPAN layout:
>        Mmm, I tend to think that, at the moment, installation would actually
> become more difficult than it is now,

We could try to build a CPAN distro but explicitly turning off the
"install" target and telling people the installation is still the same
as earlier. That one could be uploaded do CPAN as a developer release
and then we could work out the specific issues with frequent new
developer releases to CPAN that mostly will try to address the
packaging and installation issues.


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