Release schedule plans
vladd at bugzilla.org
Mon Jan 10 23:11:13 UTC 2005
Gervase Markham wrote:
> This has really gone beyond my personal opinion. I really don't think
> telling the project maintainer that: "You no longer have the discretion
> needed in order to take decisions on a case by case basis" could be
> considered as anything but rude.
But, once you leave the emotional part of your statement out of it, it's
becoming true, isn't it? :-)
Every rule that we give as a rule is that: a rule. That restricts your
liberty of decision and your discretion. Take for example the fact that
we said to do freezes on a regular scheduled. It has its advantages and
its disadvantages. We pushed that as a rule, so now we have less
flexibility in changing it. If instead we would have pushed that as a
guideline, probably we would be more light-hearted nowadays to go on a
9-month freeze, aka to break our promise, because at that time it
wouldn't have been a rule, but a simple guideline.
When evaluating rudeness it's really only a personal opinion, because
there are no general accepted criterias for classifying things as rude
or not. Only general guidelines :-) that vary from culture to culture.
So what might be rude for you might be a bless (literally :-) ) for
another one. I don't object to hints on PRIVATE email about things that
I said about YOU that you might consider rude. But I do thing that
steering a what wants to be a PUBLIC rational discussion with your
personal opinions about what is rude or not in regard to ANOTHER person
is a little worrying.
David has a mouth of himself and like we've seen he can stand pretty
good on his own. He will even repeat your words if you say them before
he goes to say them, so I wouldn't be worried about that too much to
such a degree that I'd steer the discussion on emotionale issues.
More, what you said about "working together" seemed like the mit of
"people have to like each other, be buds/friends/blood brothers in order
to work together", a nit that appeared on my evaluation as a harming
thing to the Bugzilla development. If you believe that working together
depends on us liking each other, then that's an issue in the development
process and it will have to be discussed further when we reopen the
evaluation process (right after the 2.18 shipment).
> But I finally realised that people just can't do that.
That's a general statement. :-) People can try, and that is what should
everybody should do. If you want to write my email to me "now", please
do it in private without steering the discussion towards emotional
issues. Even if people can't keep only the rationale part of it, they
can follow the simple rule of trying to reply to rationale things on the
public list and to the emotional stuff on private emails. At least I'm
sure you can try.
> I think that if you do that until we release 2.18, it will be *more*
> productive for Bugzilla development - both because we'll release 2.18
> faster, and because your good suggestions will make the releasing of
> 2.20 and onwards better and faster too.
You asked if I think that this discussion will improve the 3 blockers
left. As a matter a fact, I do - see
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275108#c37. But anyway, I
don't want to be a "whiner" here, so let's take it another way. You see
nowadays David discussing about 2.20 and future roadmap plans. If your
theory is correct, this discussion about the roadmap and he future
wouldn't help the 3 blockers left. But yet, he does it. For a very good
reason - 2.18 will go out hand in hand with 2.19.2 or 2.20rc1, and with
the status update it will be nice to let folks know about the future.
2.18 goes hand in hand with a lot of community-related documents; policy
and general discussion like justdave's roadmap&future thing or my
evaluation thing goes hand in hand with those. You can't really separate
them; you could strictly resolve those 3 bugs and ignore everything
else, but that would mean missing a lot of things, code driving-related
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