From justdave at syndicomm.com  Mon Sep  1 01:44:46 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:44:46 -0400
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>

On 8/30/2003 9:02 PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:

> for the last few days I've worked hard on getting the PostgreSQL RDBMS
> supported.

Did you start over, or did you update what RedHat already did (from 2.17.1)
up to the tip?

> The current plan I have in my mind:
>
> Make sure everything is done with ANSI SQL in mind (e.g. use ' instead
> of " where ANSI SQL expects it or -- instead of #).
>
> The checksetup.pl script needs to have the schema definition ripped out,
> it is too MySQL specific to be of any use in that script.

Yep, this is pretty much the plan.

> This needs to move to a bugzilla.mysql file.  Here we can easily place
> bugzilla.pgsql, bugzilla.sybase, and bugzilla.oracle next to.  Maybe a
> schema subdirectory to gather them under.  You can then use the command
> line tool supplied with your database system to read in this schema
> definition file.

I was toying with the idea of a central schema structure so we could make
sure they were all alike...

It would be cool to describe each table as a hash in perl code, and provide
the column names, abstract types, and even some DB-specific data (with a
hash key prefixed with the name of the DB it's for).  The database-specific
code for each database could then read from that hash, do what it needs to
for it to work on that Database, and go do it.

It may even be possible to describe necessary changes that way, too, but
that might be more difficult (for the seamless upgrade stuff).

> The worst part comes in making a correct abstraction layer towards the
> databases.  This is essentially hairy since with PostgreSQL some queries
> can be optimized in a certain way whilst MySQL might require some
> different uses.
> IIRC the Sybase guy(s) had a nice idea for that, need to check again.

Yeah, I'm still intending to use something like that here.  It seemed to
work very well at keeping the Sybase port running on both Sybase and MySQL
simultaneously.

> So I guess I need to ask you Dave, what's allowed for 2.18 and how far
> off is it?

What's allowed depends on the ideas people have. :)  I attempted to post
enough details of the abstraction system on the Sybase bug that someone
with time could run with it.

I heard a rumor that Dave Lawrence at RedHat was going to get paid time to
work on completing the Postgres port they've already done sometime soon, so
it can be merged with the trunk.  I don't know if that's true or not though.

Time frame for 2.18?  As stated many times before, "whenever it's done."
The milestone goals on the website were recently updated.  When the stuff
in the "have to have" portion of that list gets completed, we release.
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 05:29:39 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 07:29:39 +0200
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308311021160.10197-100000@ns.pyerotechnics.com>
References: <20030831072746.GF42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308311021160.10197-100000@ns.pyerotechnics.com>
Message-ID: <20030901052938.GG42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030831 16:22], Jason Pyeron (jason at pyeron.com) wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:
>
>> In both 'for' and 'id' the underscore is not allowed and we use them
>> heavily.  I reckon for easier mapping to the columns in the database.
>
>Can you cite this? At least explain why "_" is not allowed, please.

I use local system validation through nsgmls and onsgmls.  I wonder why
these tools said it wasn't allowed since they use the DTD.

That's funny, wonder if (o)nsgmls has a buglet there.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai
PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7  9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
And with the last rays of the setting sun the loveless pulse fades away,
no morebeating as one, no longer burns the flame...


From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 05:30:33 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 07:30:33 +0200
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
In-Reply-To: <3F51A386.2020209@returnzero.com>
References: <20030831072746.GF42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <3F51A386.2020209@returnzero.com>
Message-ID: <20030901053033.GH42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030831 10:22], Christopher Aillon (caillon at returnzero.com) wrote:
>http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-name

You are quite right.  Now I just need to check why my local validation
went awry on that.

-- 
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PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7  9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
I have not yet begun to fight...


From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 05:59:41 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 07:59:41 +0200
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
In-Reply-To: <3F51A386.2020209@returnzero.com>
References: <20030831072746.GF42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <3F51A386.2020209@returnzero.com>
Message-ID: <20030901055941.GI42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030831 10:22], Christopher Aillon (caillon at returnzero.com) wrote:
>http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-name

Your link though is not quite the answer to the matter at hand though.

<select name="">, name is a CDATA.  <label for="">, for is an IDREF.

So it should be supported.  *sigh*  Time to look through the (o)nsgmls
sources.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai
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http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
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From bbaetz at acm.org  Mon Sep  1 06:36:13 2003
From: bbaetz at acm.org (Bradley Baetz)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:36:13 +1000
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
Message-ID: <200309010636.h816aD100750@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au>

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From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 06:46:57 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:46:57 +0200
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030901 03:52], David Miller (justdave at syndicomm.com) wrote:
>On 8/30/2003 9:02 PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:
>Did you start over, or did you update what RedHat already did (from 2.17.1)
>up to the tip?

I started over.

Some of the patches strike me as being kind of unclean.  Especially on
the schema side of things it's best to make use of datatypes available
on that particular RDBMS.

>It would be cool to describe each table as a hash in perl code, and provide
>the column names, abstract types, and even some DB-specific data (with a
>hash key prefixed with the name of the DB it's for).  The database-specific
>code for each database could then read from that hash, do what it needs to
>for it to work on that Database, and go do it.

Hmm, that could work yeah.  Especially since the MySQL code uses an
tinyint for what would normally just be a boolean datatype, which
PostgreSQL supports.  This would, given its function and use, be more
correct than MySQL's tinyint.  So I could understand something like:

"isprivate" -> "boolean"

which would map to tinyint on MySQL and boolean on PostgreSQL, PL/SQL
supports a boolean as well (need to ask my DBAs if this is a wrapper
datatype), and Sybase probably uses an smallint.

This might seem pedantic to enforce it like this, but people should not
forget that the RDBMSes other than MySQL means a whole different
ballgame when it comes to thinking out the strategy with regards to the
schema and associated queries.
You have to keep in mind that the optimizers might take advantage of the
specific datatypes.

>It may even be possible to describe necessary changes that way, too, but
>that might be more difficult (for the seamless upgrade stuff).

Which reminds me, the schema's use of names isn't quite consistent,
sometimes you see isblah, then is_blah, etc.  Is there any desire to
make the entire schema consistent?  It would ease of administration,
given you're not constantly thinking: "Was it isprivate or is_private?"

(I am _very_ pedantic when it comes to these sort of things, just part
of my real life experience and, *cough*, 'friendly' reminders from the
people who are true specialists in that area. ;) )

>Yeah, I'm still intending to use something like that here.  It seemed to
>work very well at keeping the Sybase port running on both Sybase and MySQL
>simultaneously.

D'oh, I forgot that it was your work.  I'll try to see if I can cast it
to pgsql quickly.

>> So I guess I need to ask you Dave, what's allowed for 2.18 and how far
>> off is it?
>
>What's allowed depends on the ideas people have. :)  I attempted to post
>enough details of the abstraction system on the Sybase bug that someone
>with time could run with it.

I'll see what I can do to make that work with PostgreSQL.

>I heard a rumor that Dave Lawrence at RedHat was going to get paid time to
>work on completing the Postgres port they've already done sometime soon, so
>it can be merged with the trunk.  I don't know if that's true or not though.

I won't build on rumours. :)

>Time frame for 2.18?  As stated many times before, "whenever it's done."
>The milestone goals on the website were recently updated.  When the stuff
>in the "have to have" portion of that list gets completed, we release.

Ah ok.  I understand.

By the way, bugzilla.mozilla.org has been denying HTTP requests for me
the last few days.  Going to mecha.bugzilla.org works though.
Hmm, just tested it again, Opera 7 doesn't mind, Firebird 0.6 gives me a
connection refused.  That's odd.

-- 
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PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7  9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
When you seek it, you cannot find it...


From justdave at syndicomm.com  Mon Sep  1 14:02:18 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:02:18 -0400
Subject: b.m.o connection problems [was: Multiple database support]
In-Reply-To: <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
 <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
 <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <p06001a00bb7901719819@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/1/2003 8:46 AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:

> By the way, bugzilla.mozilla.org has been denying HTTP requests for me
> the last few days.  Going to mecha.bugzilla.org works though.
> Hmm, just tested it again, Opera 7 doesn't mind, Firebird 0.6 gives me a
> connection refused.  That's odd.

If you haven't quit and restarted Firebird in the last week or so, try
that.  The Mozilla-based stuff has a habit of indefinitely caching IP
addresses, and bugzilla.mozilla.org's IP address changed recently. :)  The
machine at the old IP address had Apache disabled a few days ago.
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From justdave at syndicomm.com  Mon Sep  1 14:34:16 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:34:16 -0400
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
 <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
 <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <p06001a01bb7901eeb55d@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/1/2003 8:46 AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:

> -On [20030901 03:52], David Miller (justdave at syndicomm.com) wrote:
>
>>It would be cool to describe each table as a hash in perl code, and provide
>>the column names, abstract types, and even some DB-specific data (with a
>>hash key prefixed with the name of the DB it's for).  The database-specific
>>code for each database could then read from that hash, do what it needs to
>>for it to work on that Database, and go do it.
>
> Hmm, that could work yeah.  Especially since the MySQL code uses an
> tinyint for what would normally just be a boolean datatype, which
> PostgreSQL supports.  This would, given its function and use, be more
> correct than MySQL's tinyint.  So I could understand something like:
>
> "isprivate" -> "boolean"
>
> which would map to tinyint on MySQL and boolean on PostgreSQL, PL/SQL
> supports a boolean as well (need to ask my DBAs if this is a wrapper
> datatype), and Sybase probably uses an smallint.

Yep, that's the idea.  Sybase has "bit".

FWIW, Sybase has "identity" which is a loose equivalent to MySQL's
"auto_increment", however, Sybase's implementation sucks.  We would up
creating a separate table with a list of tables and key numbers, and
lock/incremenet/unlock the given row in that table when we need a new key.

>>It may even be possible to describe necessary changes that way, too, but
>>that might be more difficult (for the seamless upgrade stuff).
>
> Which reminds me, the schema's use of names isn't quite consistent,
> sometimes you see isblah, then is_blah, etc.  Is there any desire to
> make the entire schema consistent?  It would ease of administration,
> given you're not constantly thinking: "Was it isprivate or is_private?"

Yeah, there was talk of doing that at one point.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177692

The main reason it hasn't been done yet is outlined in comment #1 on that bug.
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From timeless at myrealbox.com  Mon Sep  1 16:54:13 2003
From: timeless at myrealbox.com (timeless)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:54:13 -0400
Subject: b.m.o connection problems [was: Multiple database support]
In-Reply-To: <p06001a00bb7901719819@[192.168.1.204]>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]> <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a00bb7901719819@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <3F5379B5.3030404@myrealbox.com>

On 9/1/2003 8:46 AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:
> If you haven't quit and restarted Firebird in the last week or so, try
> that. 

you don't need to quit, you can simply go offline and then back onlineif 
you need to flush the dns cache.

> The Mozilla-based stuff has a habit of indefinitely caching IP
> addresses, and bugzilla.mozilla.org's IP address changed recently.

it's a security 'feature'. you can read darin's blog if you care.



From justdave at syndicomm.com  Mon Sep  1 16:56:31 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:56:31 -0400
Subject: b.m.o connection problems [was: Multiple database support]
In-Reply-To: <3F5379B5.3030404@myrealbox.com>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
 <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
 <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
 <p06001a00bb7901719819@[192.168.1.204]> <3F5379B5.3030404@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <p06001a0dbb792a963bf5@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/1/2003 12:54 PM -0400, timeless wrote:

>> The Mozilla-based stuff has a habit of indefinitely caching IP
>> addresses, and bugzilla.mozilla.org's IP address changed recently.
>
> it's a security 'feature'. you can read darin's blog if you care.

I'd really be curious to read that.  Where do I find it?
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From kiko at async.com.br  Mon Sep  1 17:03:14 2003
From: kiko at async.com.br (Christian Reis)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:03:14 -0300
Subject: b.m.o connection problems [was: Multiple database support]
In-Reply-To: <p06001a0dbb792a963bf5@[192.168.1.204]>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]> <20030901064657.GJ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a00bb7901719819@[192.168.1.204]> <3F5379B5.3030404@myrealbox.com> <p06001a0dbb792a963bf5@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <20030901170314.GE1917@async.com.br>

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:56:31PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> On 9/1/2003 12:54 PM -0400, timeless wrote:
> 
> >> The Mozilla-based stuff has a habit of indefinitely caching IP
> >> addresses, and bugzilla.mozilla.org's IP address changed recently.
> >
> > it's a security 'feature'. you can read darin's blog if you care.
> 
> I'd really be curious to read that.  Where do I find it?

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/darin/archives/003512.html

Take care,
--
Christian Reis, Senior Engineer, Async Open Source, Brazil.
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From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 17:07:13 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:07:13 +0200
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
In-Reply-To: <200309010636.h816aD100750@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200309010636.h816aD100750@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030901170712.GQ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030901 08:42], Bradley Baetz (bbaetz at acm.org) wrote:
>_ wasn't valid as an ID in CSS, but then it
>was changed via an errata. Its possible that
>your software hasn't picked that up.

Can you find me that reference?  I haven't been able to find anything on
that.

>It also may be an SGML vs HTML issue.

I doubt it since HTML is described using SGML.  (And XHTML and onwards
using XML.)

-- 
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http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
One who knows that enough is enough will always have enough...


From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep  1 22:04:27 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:04:27 +0200
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <20030901220427.GA42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

David,

-On [20030901 03:52], David Miller (justdave at syndicomm.com) wrote:
>Yeah, I'm still intending to use something like that here.  It seemed to
>work very well at keeping the Sybase port running on both Sybase and MySQL
>simultaneously.

I added the necessary PostgreSQL extentions to it and placed it under
the bug # at
http://mecha.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=130751&action=view

I haven't tested it yet, but PostgreSQL requires correct ANSI SQL '
placement.  Furthermore, one thing I cannot easily provide is the
LAST_INSERT_ID()/@@identity stuff.  PostgreSQL requires use of its
sequences for that and I'd reckon Oracle does as well (need to check).

What do we use it for anyway?

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai
PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7  9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
http://www.tendra.org/   | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/
E pluribus unum...


From justdave at syndicomm.com  Mon Sep  1 22:13:12 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:13:12 -0400
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030901220427.GA42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
 <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]>
 <20030901220427.GA42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <p06001a0ebb79747d8d0f@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/2/2003 12:04 AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:

> David,
>
> -On [20030901 03:52], David Miller (justdave at syndicomm.com) wrote:
>>Yeah, I'm still intending to use something like that here.  It seemed to
>>work very well at keeping the Sybase port running on both Sybase and MySQL
>>simultaneously.
>
> I added the necessary PostgreSQL extentions to it and placed it under
> the bug # at
> http://mecha.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=130751&action=view
>
> I haven't tested it yet, but PostgreSQL requires correct ANSI SQL '
> placement.  Furthermore, one thing I cannot easily provide is the
> LAST_INSERT_ID()/@@identity stuff.  PostgreSQL requires use of its
> sequences for that and I'd reckon Oracle does as well (need to check).
>
> What do we use it for anyway?

Getting the just-created key number for the record inserted by the previous
INSERT statement (assuming the table has an auto_increment column in it).

We ended up not using @@identity on the Sybase port - Sybase's
implementation of it sucks, and it's not reliable, so we created a new
table to hold key numbers and do the lock/increment/select/unlock on the
appropriate row in that table to get key numbers (which means retrieving a
new key prior to doing an insert, and including the key in the insert
statement).
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From bbaetz at acm.org  Tue Sep  2 09:49:52 2003
From: bbaetz at acm.org (Bradley Baetz)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:49:52 +1000
Subject: HTML 4.01 transitional compliance
In-Reply-To: <20030901170712.GQ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <200309010636.h816aD100750@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au> <20030901170712.GQ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <20030902094952.GA1225@mango.home>

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 07:07:13PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:
> -On [20030901 08:42], Bradley Baetz (bbaetz at acm.org) wrote:
> >_ wasn't valid as an ID in CSS, but then it
> >was changed via an errata. Its possible that
> >your software hasn't picked that up.
> 
> Can you find me that reference?  I haven't been able to find anything on
> that.

http://www.w3.org/Style/css2-updates/REC-CSS2-19980512-errata.html#x3

Bradley


From bbaetz at acm.org  Tue Sep  2 10:01:45 2003
From: bbaetz at acm.org (Bradley Baetz)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:01:45 +1000
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <p06001a0ebb79747d8d0f@[192.168.1.204]>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]> <20030901220427.GA42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a0ebb79747d8d0f@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <20030902100145.GB1225@mango.home>

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 06:13:12PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> > I haven't tested it yet, but PostgreSQL requires correct ANSI SQL '
> > placement.  Furthermore, one thing I cannot easily provide is the
> > LAST_INSERT_ID()/@@identity stuff.  PostgreSQL requires use of its
> > sequences for that and I'd reckon Oracle does as well (need to check).

The latest DBI has an API for this. I don't know what DBD drivers
support it, but I'd prefer to use the official interface for this now
that one exists.

> We ended up not using @@identity on the Sybase port - Sybase's
> implementation of it sucks, and it's not reliable, so we created a new
> table to hold key numbers and do the lock/increment/select/unlock on the
> appropriate row in that table to get key numbers (which means retrieving a
> new key prior to doing an insert, and including the key in the insert
> statement).

I haven't checked the implementation, so I don't know what hte final 
result was, but When it first came up on dbi-devel, there was a
fair bit of talk over the sybase issues with this.

Bradley


From lists at mehnle.net  Tue Sep  2 10:36:11 2003
From: lists at mehnle.net (Julian Mehnle)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:36:11 +0200
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030902100145.GB1225@mango.home>
Message-ID: <EHEOIEJMBFBKCKMPHFJKKEBKEBAA.lists@mehnle.net>

Bradley Baetz <bbaetz at acm.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 06:13:12PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> > > I haven't tested it yet, but PostgreSQL requires correct ANSI SQL '
> > > placement.  Furthermore, one thing I cannot easily provide is the
> > > LAST_INSERT_ID()/@@identity stuff.  PostgreSQL requires use of its
> > > sequences for that and I'd reckon Oracle does as well (need to check).
> 
> The latest DBI has an API for this. I don't know what DBD drivers
> support it, but I'd prefer to use the official interface for this now
> that one exists. 

Out of pure interest, what kind of API is that?  I.e. for what would I have to search to find that in the latest DBI from CPAN?




From bruce.armstrong at teamsybase.com  Tue Sep  2 17:05:10 2003
From: bruce.armstrong at teamsybase.com (Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase])
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <p06001a01bb7901eeb55d@[192.168.1.204]>
Message-ID: <20030902170510.37892.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Miller <justdave at syndicomm.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, Sybase has "identity" which is a loose
> equivalent to MySQL's
> "auto_increment", however, Sybase's implementation
> sucks.  We would up
> creating a separate table with a list of tables and
> key numbers, and
> lock/incremenet/unlock the given row in that table
> when we need a new key.
> 

Ok, I'll bite.  What's wrong with Sybase's
implementation?  (I assume you mean ASE.  ASA
implements it as well, but better).



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---------------------------------
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From justdave at syndicomm.com  Tue Sep  2 17:19:04 2003
From: justdave at syndicomm.com (David Miller)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:19:04 -0400
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030902170510.37892.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030902170510.37892.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06001a04bb7a7fe1c2f7@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/2/2003 10:05 AM -0700, Bruce Armstrong \[TeamSybase\] wrote:

> --- David Miller <justdave at syndicomm.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, Sybase has "identity" which is a loose
>> equivalent to MySQL's
>> "auto_increment", however, Sybase's implementation
>> sucks.  We would up
>> creating a separate table with a list of tables and
>> key numbers, and
>> lock/incremenet/unlock the given row in that table
>> when we need a new key.
>>
>
> Ok, I'll bite.  What's wrong with Sybase's
> implementation?  (I assume you mean ASE.  ASA
> implements it as well, but better).

Getting the value of @@identity back after an insert is unreliable.  You
can't get @@identity back if you use placeholders "?" to insert data
because ASE "emulates" placeholders by temporarily creating a stored
procedure to do the placeholder replacement, and @@identity is out of scope
once the procedure exits, so you have no way to retrieve it.  @@identity
also seems to fall out of scope for *any* context change, not just the next
insert.  The main thing that throws a kink into all of this (besides the
placeholders) is that Sybase ASE can't handle more than one query handle on
the same connection, so DBD::Sybase has to open multiple connections to the
server to emulate it.  This means there's no guarantee your "SELECT
@@identity" query is going to wind up on the same connection that your
INSERT was sent on unless you turn autocommit off and handle your own
transactions (which until very recently wasn't very cross-DB compatible).
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From asmodai at wxs.nl  Tue Sep  2 22:44:26 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:44:26 +0200
Subject: Multiple database support
In-Reply-To: <20030902100145.GB1225@mango.home>
References: <20030830190203.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a03bb78533ac59d@[192.168.1.204]> <20030901220427.GA42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <p06001a0ebb79747d8d0f@[192.168.1.204]> <20030902100145.GB1225@mango.home>
Message-ID: <20030902224426.GI42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030902 12:02], Bradley Baetz (bbaetz at acm.org) wrote:
>The latest DBI has an API for this. I don't know what DBD drivers
>support it, but I'd prefer to use the official interface for this now
>that one exists.

"last_insert_id"
  $rv = $dbh->last_insert_id($catalog, $schema, $table, $field);
  $rv = $dbh->last_insert_id($catalog, $schema, $table, $field, \%attr);

* For some drivers the value may only available immediately after the
  insert statement has executed (e.g., mysql, Informix).

* For some drivers the $catalog, $schema, $table, and $field param-
  eters are required (e.g., Pg), for others they are ignored (e.g.,
  mysql).

* For some drivers the value may only be available if placeholders
  have not been used (e.g., Sybase, MS SQL). In this case the value
  returned would be from the last non-placeholder insert statement.

Best part:

Given all the caveats above, it's clear that this method must be used
with care.

The "last_insert_id" method was added in DBI 1.38.

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From asmodai at wxs.nl  Thu Sep  4 21:04:51 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:04:51 +0200
Subject: PostgreSQL support
Message-ID: <20030904210451.GX42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

I've uploaded a new version of pgsetup.pl to the appropriate bug ID
(98304).

I've stripped it of all history and work around code, since there's no
released version of PostgreSQL support anyway.

Furthermore the schema is a tad bit different from MySQL, but it
reflects the purpose better of the code and could be taken as an example
for other databases.  And perhaps even the RDBMS agnostic schema.

I'll fix up the cgi's in the coming days, perhaps using the DBCompat.pm
module already, which I posted earlier with the PostgreSQL fixes on
Dave's earlier work.

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From asmodai at wxs.nl  Sat Sep  6 07:34:59 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:34:59 +0200
Subject: DB and DBCompat
Message-ID: <20030906073459.GZ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

As Bradley said in an update to a bugid:

"People should use the Bugzilla::DB connect method instead."

Well, yeah, that's the way it is now.  But it is hardcoded to MySQL.  I
can change the code in DB, which would mean I need to hack:

connect_shadow, connect_main, _connect

I don't mind doing that, I just want to know if it is in the intention
to have all database compatibility stuff in DBCompat or not, because if
I start to do the same kind of stuff in DB we could just as easily move
all the stuff from DBCompat to DB anyway.

I don't care which file it gets to be, just want some clarity on the
issue. :)

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From bbaetz at acm.org  Sat Sep  6 07:56:35 2003
From: bbaetz at acm.org (Bradley Baetz)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:56:35 +1000
Subject: DB and DBCompat
In-Reply-To: <20030906073459.GZ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030906073459.GZ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <20030906075634.GA25449@mango.home>

My intention (not that its gone anywhere, given the limited time I've
had to spend on Bugzilla recently) was for the dbcompat module to
contain the bits which need to be explicitly used for cross-db support
within string concatentation (eg SqlDate), but to leave the other stuff
in Bugzilla::Db, overridden by Bugzilla::DB::mysql/Pg/etc transparently
(eg connect).

I'm not sure that connect needs to be overloaded, however - all that we
need is the DBD name, and DBI takes care of the rest, in theory.

I'm not too sure how realistic that is, though. Maybe we need to make a
list of what sort of stuff we need in the compat module.

Bradley


From asmodai at wxs.nl  Sat Sep  6 08:34:18 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:34:18 +0200
Subject: DB and DBCompat
In-Reply-To: <20030906075634.GA25449@mango.home>
References: <20030906073459.GZ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <20030906075634.GA25449@mango.home>
Message-ID: <20030906083418.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030906 10:12], Bradley Baetz (bbaetz at acm.org) wrote:
>My intention (not that its gone anywhere, given the limited time I've
>had to spend on Bugzilla recently) was for the dbcompat module to
>contain the bits which need to be explicitly used for cross-db support
>within string concatentation (eg SqlDate), but to leave the other stuff
>in Bugzilla::Db, overridden by Bugzilla::DB::mysql/Pg/etc transparently
>(eg connect).

Ok, so query related stuff in DBCompat and the rest in DB.  Works for
me.

>I'm not sure that connect needs to be overloaded, however - all that we
>need is the DBD name, and DBI takes care of the rest, in theory.

Problem is, you need to overload it: DBD::mysql uses database=, DBD::Pg
uses dbname=, DBD::Oracle uses sid=, DBD::Sybase uses server= and/or
database=, Informix expects dbi:Informix:$database.

There's no standard way to specify the database you are connecting to.
It is asked of people to follow the ODBC standard, i.e. database=, but
it is not a requirement.

>I'm not too sure how realistic that is, though. Maybe we need to make a
>list of what sort of stuff we need in the compat module.

The way it looks now, it seems as if all database related code needs to
be made RDBMS agnostic, so I fear that both DB and DBCompat will have
if/elsif cases for all databases supported.

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From bbaetz at acm.org  Sat Sep  6 09:36:40 2003
From: bbaetz at acm.org (Bradley Baetz)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:36:40 +1000
Subject: DB and DBCompat
In-Reply-To: <20030906083418.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
References: <20030906073459.GZ42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <20030906075634.GA25449@mango.home> <20030906083418.GB42098@nexus.ninth-circle.org>
Message-ID: <20030906093640.GA25571@mango.home>

On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:34:18AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote:
> Ok, so query related stuff in DBCompat and the rest in DB.  Works for
> me.

Well, possibly :)
> >I'm not sure that connect needs to be overloaded, however - all that we
> >need is the DBD name, and DBI takes care of the rest, in theory.
> 
> Problem is, you need to overload it: DBD::mysql uses database=, DBD::Pg
> uses dbname=, DBD::Oracle uses sid=, DBD::Sybase uses server= and/or
> database=, Informix expects dbi:Informix:$database.

I'd like to combine the various localconfig params
(server/port/socket/etc) into 'DSN string', which we can then pass in as
is.

This makes stuff a lot easier, for example if you want to use a unix
domain socket on postgres rather than tcpip, you must not specify a
hostname. With mysql (libmysql rather than DBD, IIRC) localhost implies
the 'standard' socket location.

> >I'm not too sure how realistic that is, though. Maybe we need to make a
> >list of what sort of stuff we need in the compat module.
> 
> The way it looks now, it seems as if all database related code needs to
> be made RDBMS agnostic, so I fear that both DB and DBCompat will have
> if/elsif cases for all databases supported.

I'd prefer inheritance, so that another DB type can be pretty
much dropped in without having to add extra if/elsif stuff. It makes the
code look cleaner too. Consider the auth modules, for example. The
'inheritance' they do is a bit ugly, so we may want to play with symbol
tables directly instead.

Bradley


From myk at mozilla.org  Mon Sep  8 16:04:14 2003
From: myk at mozilla.org (Myk Melez)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: worth a look (bugzilla competition)]
Message-ID: <3F5CA87E.4050801@mozilla.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	worth a look (bugzilla competition)
Date: 	Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:05:53 -0700
From: 	Asa Dotzler <asa at mozilla.org>
To: 	Myk Melez <myk at mozilla.org>



Maybe we can get a copy of this. They've got some nice features that 
would be good to impliment in Bugzilla. Does the Bugzilla crew know 
about this tool?
http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/

http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10240 (nice 
summary/portal information presentation)
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa (more good 
summary/portal info)
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=JRA-364 (showing 
dupes with dependencies is a nice touch)
and 
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa;jsessionid=ACCPPHJOCKAN?mode=show 
(I really like the side by side query/buglist)

--Asa


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From andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com  Mon Sep  8 16:07:23 2003
From: andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_H=F6fler?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:07:23 +0200
Subject: Charting worked/remaining hours per product/component/developer
Message-ID: <3F5CA93B.2090202@bearingpoint.com>

Hi,

I'd just like to know if or how it would be possible to generate charts 
which show:
- how many remaining hours a product/component has
- how many remaining/worked hours a developer has

I tried to expand the reports-mechanism to allow "estimated_time" and 
"remaining_time"
but the result is a bit "strange":
- For every seperate "estimated_time"-value there is a own bar... ie. a 
1-height bar for 1 hours
  a 3-height bar for 2 hours a 0-height bar for 4 hours and so on, 
depending on how many of the found
  bugs have a guess with this value. Not quite the result I expected...

How can I use the Bugzilla::Search package to get the results into a 
data-set which meets my
expectations?
The only thing which were to to, would be to add a SUM(...) to the 
y-component and a
GROUP BY to the x-element... (I think)

I doubt that my current approach (enabling the fields in reports.cgi) 
can work in a decent manner,
so most probably a new template has to be created.

Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance,
 Andreas H?fler



From justdave at netscape.com  Tue Sep  9 16:40:06 2003
From: justdave at netscape.com (David Miller)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Fwd: Shared Queries and Customfields]
Message-ID: <3F5E0266.3060500@netscape.com>

This question is better asked of people other than me, because I haven't 
actually been working on this feature and I'm not very familiar with it 
other than the fact that it's there. :)  I'm forwarding this to the 
developers list so others who might have worked with it can answer.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Shared Queries and Customfields
Resent-Date: 	Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:07:58 -0700 (PDT)
Resent-From: 	justdave at netscape.com
Date: 	09 Sep 2003 19:07:51 +1000
From: 	Saqib Rasul <saqib.rasul at preston.net>
Organization: 	Preston Aviation Solutions
To: 	David Miller <justdave at netscape.com>



Hi Dave,

in case you miss the email from all the noise, i have uploaded a patch
for shared queries against the development version of Bugzilla (2.17.4)
(Bug ID 69000)

We have also done some work, modifications, bugfixes for the custom
fields (Bug ID 91037). We would like to submit it back, however, our
changes were made to version 2.16 of Bugzilla and it will be a bit of
work to get it up to the 2.16.3 version of bugzilla. Before we commit to
this work, we would like to get an idea of how mature this feature is
and what is the likelihood of this feature making it to the 2.18
release?

Regards,

Saqib
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Preston Aviation Solutions




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Webtools Developer, Netscape Client QA        http://www.bugzilla.org/




From jason at pyeron.com  Wed Sep 10 01:42:52 2003
From: jason at pyeron.com (Jason Pyeron)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fwd: worth a look (bugzilla competition)]
In-Reply-To: <3F5CA87E.4050801@mozilla.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309092142001.21204-100000@ns.pyerotechnics.com>

no, but now we have a [second] tool to compare the jBubzilla port to.

re: get a copy of this:
 http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/EvaluationDownload!default.jspa

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Myk Melez wrote:



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	worth a look (bugzilla competition)
Date: 	Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:05:53 -0700
From: 	Asa Dotzler <asa at mozilla.org>
To: 	Myk Melez <myk at mozilla.org>



Maybe we can get a copy of this. They've got some nice features that 
would be good to impliment in Bugzilla. Does the Bugzilla crew know 
about this tool?
http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/

http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10240 (nice 
summary/portal information presentation)
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa (more good 
summary/portal info)
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=JRA-364 (showing 
dupes with dependencies is a nice touch)
and 
http://jira.atlassian.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa;jsessionid=ACCPPHJOCKAN?mode=show 
(I really like the side by side query/buglist)

--Asa




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From andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com  Thu Sep 11 09:57:27 2003
From: andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_H=F6fler?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:57:27 +0200
Subject: Problem with collectstats.pl
Message-ID: <3F604707.8070107@bearingpoint.com>

Hi,

I'm stuck with

[Wed Sep 10 20:00:00 2003] collectstats.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at Bugzilla/Util.pm line 50.
DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry '37-2003-09-10 00:00:00' for key 1 [for Statement "INSERT INTO series_data (series_id, date, value) VALUES (?, '2003-09-10', ?)"] at ./collectstats.pl line 472
	main::CollectSeriesData() called at ./collectstats.pl line 85

error from collectstats.pl executed by cron.

Has anyone any idea, what's up?

Thanks in advance,
 Andreas
---
Randy's one of the folks that drives sysops crazy!



From jocuri at softhome.net  Thu Sep 11 12:42:24 2003
From: jocuri at softhome.net (vladd)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:42:24 +0300
Subject: Problem with collectstats.pl
In-Reply-To: <3F604707.8070107@bearingpoint.com>
References: <3F604707.8070107@bearingpoint.com>
Message-ID: <200309111542.24190.jocuri@softhome.net>

The bug that you might be looking for is located here:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210735

A patch for this already exists, and it's pending approval for CVS commit.

Thanks,
Vlad - vladd.

On Thursday 11 September 2003 12:57, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm stuck with
>
> [Wed Sep 10 20:00:00 2003] collectstats.pl: Use of uninitialized value in
> pattern match (m//) at Bugzilla/Util.pm line 50. DBD::mysql::st execute
> failed: Duplicate entry '37-2003-09-10 00:00:00' for key 1 [for Statement
> "INSERT INTO series_data (series_id, date, value) VALUES (?, '2003-09-10',
> ?)"] at ./collectstats.pl line 472 main::CollectSeriesData() called at
> ./collectstats.pl line 85
>
> error from collectstats.pl executed by cron.
>
> Has anyone any idea, what's up?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>  Andreas
> ---
> Randy's one of the folks that drives sysops crazy!
>
> -
> To view or change your list settings, click here:
> <http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=jocuri at softhome.net>



From gerv at mozilla.org  Thu Sep 11 23:21:08 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:21:08 +0100
Subject: Bugzilla is GRAM
Message-ID: <3F610364.3020204@mozilla.org>

I've persuaded David Wheeler to add Bugzilla to his Generally Recognised 
As Mature (GRAM) list of OSS software, on the basis of our installation 
list.

http://www.dwheeler.com/gram.html
(This URL was actually down when I tried it just now - give it 24 hours.)

We are in distinguished company :-)

Gerv



From zhaoxj at acorncampus.com  Fri Sep 12 01:24:35 2003
From: zhaoxj at acorncampus.com (XiaoJun Zhao)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:24:35 +0800
Subject: problem with bugzilla 2.14
Message-ID: <200309111812120.SM01580@zhaoxj>

majordomo-owner?

	I installed a new bugzilla 2.14 in Linux 7.3. It can run, but I meet a strange problem:
	I will recieve email when I input my email address, and submit a request to get my forgotten password, it says the bugzilla can call sendmail correctly. I can't receive emails when I report a bugs or do everything with a bugs, but my user preferences is right. How can I resolve the problem? Can you help me, or tell me who can I resolve it.

???????
 				

????????XiaoJun Zhao
????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
??????????2003-09-12



From andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com  Fri Sep 12 05:22:15 2003
From: andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com (=?GB2312?B?QW5kcmVhcyBIbyJmbGVy?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:22:15 +0200
Subject: problem with bugzilla 2.14
In-Reply-To: <200309111812120.SM01580@zhaoxj>
References: <200309111812120.SM01580@zhaoxj>
Message-ID: <3F615807.2020207@bearingpoint.com>

Hi,

if YOU change something on a bug, the default setting is to EXCLUDE YOU
from the
people to mail to.
Do you get mail if somebody other than you changes your bugs?

Best regards,
Andreas

XiaoJun Zhao wrote:

>majordomo-owner?
>
>	I installed a new bugzilla 2.14 in Linux 7.3. It can run, but I meet a strange problem:
>	I will recieve email when I input my email address, and submit a request to get my forgotten password, it says the bugzilla can call sendmail correctly. I can't receive emails when I report a bugs or do everything with a bugs, but my user preferences is right. How can I resolve the problem? Can you help me, or tell me who can I resolve it.
>
>???????
> 				
>
>????????XiaoJun Zhao
>????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
>??????????2003-09-12
>
>-
>To view or change your list settings, click here:
><http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com>
>  
>
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From zhaoxj at acorncampus.com  Fri Sep 12 05:54:30 2003
From: zhaoxj at acorncampus.com (XiaoJun Zhao)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:54:30 +0800
Subject: problem with bugzilla 2.14
Message-ID: <200309112242446.SM01580@zhaoxj>

Hello, Andreas Ho"fler,

	Yes, I create two products with two components, and the I specified two users for each component. I let one user to reports the other's own component, but two users can't receive an email. And I checked the option which let sendmail immediately when a bug changed.
	Thanks for your reply.
				 
????????XiaoJun Zhao
????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
??????????2003-09-12

======= 2003-09-12 07:22:00 in your email: =======

>Hi,
>
>if YOU change something on a bug, the default setting is to EXCLUDE YOU
>from the
>people to mail to.
>Do you get mail if somebody other than you changes your bugs?
>
>Best regards,
>Andreas
>
>XiaoJun Zhao wrote:
>
>>majordomo-owner?
>>
>>	I installed a new bugzilla 2.14 in Linux 7.3. It can run, but I meet a strange problem:
>>	I will recieve email when I input my email address, and submit a request to get my forgotten password, it says the bugzilla can call sendmail correctly. I can't receive emails when I report a bugs or do everything with a bugs, but my user preferences is right. How can I resolve the problem? Can you help me, or tell me who can I resolve it.
>>
>>???????
>> 				
>>
>>????????XiaoJun Zhao
>>????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
>>??????????2003-09-12
>>
>>-
>>To view or change your list settings, click here:
>><http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com>
>>  
>>
>---
>Do not use while sleeping. - Warning on a hair dryer
>
>-
>To view or change your list settings, click here:
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From CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com  Mon Sep 15 19:13:48 2003
From: CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com (PARDEY, CRAIG)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:13:48 -0400
Subject: Sourceforge conversions
Message-ID: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB858@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>


Has anyone ever attempted to convert a Sourceforge bug database to Bugzilla?  I'd like to hear peoples' experiences to know whether it is worth pursuing.

Craig




From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep 15 19:14:03 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:14:03 +0200
Subject: Sourceforge conversions
In-Reply-To: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB858@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>
References: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB858@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>
Message-ID: <20030915191403.GT86854@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030915 21:12], PARDEY, CRAIG (CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com) wrote:
>Has anyone ever attempted to convert a Sourceforge bug database to
>Bugzilla?  I'd like to hear peoples' experiences to know whether it is
>worth pursuing.

No, but I have been busy to cleaning up the current GNATS import perl and
python scripts.

I think you could leverage a lot from that.

What's the format sourceforge uses?

-- 
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From CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com  Mon Sep 15 19:25:49 2003
From: CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com (PARDEY, CRAIG)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:25:49 -0400
Subject: Sourceforge conversions
Message-ID: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB859@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>


Did you want to know the database schema?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai [mailto:asmodai at wxs.nl]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:14 PM
To: PARDEY, CRAIG
Cc: developers at bugzilla.org
Subject: Re: Sourceforge conversions


-On [20030915 21:12], PARDEY, CRAIG (CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com) wrote:
>Has anyone ever attempted to convert a Sourceforge bug database to
>Bugzilla?  I'd like to hear peoples' experiences to know whether it is
>worth pursuing.

No, but I have been busy to cleaning up the current GNATS import perl and
python scripts.

I think you could leverage a lot from that.

What's the format sourceforge uses?

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai / kita no mono
PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7  9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
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Losing your life is not the only way to die...



From asmodai at wxs.nl  Mon Sep 15 20:02:18 2003
From: asmodai at wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:02:18 +0200
Subject: Sourceforge conversions
In-Reply-To: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB859@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>
References: <4D85E67FF7BC564AA33DC6DF1E134DF0029BB859@TDSI-EXCH-TOR2.CORP.TDSECURITIES.COM>
Message-ID: <20030915200218.GU86854@nexus.ninth-circle.org>

-On [20030915 21:32], PARDEY, CRAIG (CRAIG.PARDEY at tdsecurities.com) wrote:
>Did you want to know the database schema?

It uses a MySQL or PostgreSQL database as backend?  Or even something
else?

-- 
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regard accumulation as deficiency, and to dwell quietly alone with the
spiritual and the intelligent -- herein lie the techniques of Tao of
the ancients.


From zhaoxj at acorncampus.com  Wed Sep 17 10:58:14 2003
From: zhaoxj at acorncampus.com (XiaoJun Zhao)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:58:14 +0800
Subject: How to change default selected of platform and OS?
Message-ID: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>

majordomo-owner?

	The default operation system is Windows 2000, I want to change the dafault to Linux, I can I do it.
	I use bugzilla 2.16. Thanks.

???????
 				

????????XiaoJun Zhao
????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
??????????2003-09-17



From andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com  Wed Sep 17 11:04:33 2003
From: andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com (=?GB2312?B?QW5kcmVhcyBIbyJmbGVy?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:04:33 +0200
Subject: How to change default selected of platform and OS?
In-Reply-To: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
References: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
Message-ID: <3F683FC1.1070801@bearingpoint.com>

If the parameter "usebrowserinfo" is turned on in Bugzilla, then the OS
and Platform is
automatically chosen depending on the OS and Platform of the submitter.

Andreas

XiaoJun Zhao wrote:

> majordomo-owner?
>
> The default operation system is Windows 2000, I want to change the
> dafault to Linux, I can I do it.
> I use bugzilla 2.16. Thanks.
>
> ???????
>
> ????????XiaoJun Zhao
> ????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
> ??????????2003-09-17
>
> -
> To view or change your list settings, click here:
> <http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=andreas.hoefler at bearingpoint.com>
>
>


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From jocuri at softhome.net  Wed Sep 17 14:25:45 2003
From: jocuri at softhome.net (vladd)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:25:45 +0300
Subject: How to change default selected of platform and OS?
In-Reply-To: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
References: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
Message-ID: <200309171725.45844.jocuri@softhome.net>

Hi Xiao,

As specified in http://bugzilla.org/discussion.html , developers at bugzilla.org 
is reserved for Bugzilla development only. Please use 
news://news.mozilla.org/netscape.public.mozilla.webtools or the 
mozilla-webtools at mozilla.org gateway ( 
mozilla-webtools-request at mozilla.org?subject=subscribe to subscribe) for such 
questions and it's more likely to get a reply there.

Thanks!
Vlad.

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 13:58, you wrote:
> majordomo-owner?
>
> 	The default operation system is Windows 2000, I want to change the dafault
> to Linux, I can I do it. I use bugzilla 2.16. Thanks.
>
> ???????
>
>
> ????????XiaoJun Zhao
> ????????zhaoxj at acorncampus.com
> ??????????2003-09-17
>
> -
> To view or change your list settings, click here:
> <http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=jocuri at softhome.net>




From m.kirk at opengroup.org  Thu Sep 18 09:27:38 2003
From: m.kirk at opengroup.org (Martin Kirk)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:27:38 +0100
Subject: Default recipient for all new/changed mail
In-Reply-To: <200309171725.45844.jocuri@softhome.net>
References: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
 <200309171725.45844.jocuri@softhome.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20030918102340.028a38c8@maildrop.rdg.opengroup.org>

Does anyone have a suggestion as to what is the best way to set up Bugzilla 
to send a copy of all new/changed mail messages to a default mail address? 
I have tried adding a hardcoded address into the newchangedmail template 
parameter, but that causes it to get sevaral copies of the message as it is 
sent with a slightly different %reasonsbody% to different recipients. I 
think what I need is to be able to have a default cc mail address whish is 
always selected. IS this possible?

Regards,

Martin



From preed at sigkill.com  Thu Sep 18 11:06:36 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:06:36 -0700
Subject: Default recipient for all new/changed mail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20030918102340.028a38c8@maildrop.rdg.opengroup.org>; from m.kirk@opengroup.org on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:27:38AM +0100
References: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj> <200309171725.45844.jocuri@softhome.net> <6.0.0.22.2.20030918102340.028a38c8@maildrop.rdg.opengroup.org>
Message-ID: <20030918040636.B19655@sigkill.com>

On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:27:38, Martin Kirk arranged the bits on my disk to say:

> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what is the best way to set up
> Bugzilla to send a copy of all new/changed mail messages to a default
> mail address?  I have tried adding a hardcoded address into the
> newchangedmail template parameter, but that causes it to get sevaral
> copies of the message as it is sent with a slightly different
> %reasonsbody% to different recipients. I think what I need is to be able
> to have a default cc mail address whish is always selected. IS this
> possible?

If you're not using the QA field, enable it, and make a dummy account that
is the address you want stuff sent to. Set the mail preferences the way you
want them for that dummy account. Then, make the default QA contact the
dummy account for each product/component you want to get copies of changes
for.

Just FYI, per product default CC lists is bug 38922.

Later,
Paul
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From jon at vmware.com  Thu Sep 18 21:58:06 2003
From: jon at vmware.com (Jonathan Schatz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:06 -0700
Subject: Default recipient for all new/changed mail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20030918102340.028a38c8@maildrop.rdg.opengroup.org>
References: <200309170358413.SM01432@zhaoxj>
	 <200309171725.45844.jocuri@softhome.net>
	 <6.0.0.22.2.20030918102340.028a38c8@maildrop.rdg.opengroup.org>
Message-ID: <1063922286.10116.9.camel@jonschatz-lx.vmware.com>

On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 02:27, Martin Kirk wrote:
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what is the best way to set up Bugzilla 
> to send a copy of all new/changed mail messages to a default mail address? 
> I have tried adding a hardcoded address into the newchangedmail template 
> parameter, but that causes it to get sevaral copies of the message as it is 
> sent with a slightly different %reasonsbody% to different recipients. I 
> think what I need is to be able to have a default cc mail address whish is 
> always selected. IS this possible?

yes.

in Bugzilla/BugMail.pm, look for this line:


	foreach my $person ( @allEmail ) {

before it, add something like this:

	push @allEmail, 'your at email.address.com';

then, inside of the foreach loop (after all of the push() calls), add
this:

	push(@reasons, 'Default CC Recipient') if ($person eq
'your at email.address.com');

finally, look for this loop:

	foreach my $reason (@reasons) {	

and in that block of if()/elsif(), add one more line like:

	} elsif ($reason eq "Default CC Recipient") {
		$reasonbody .= "You are receiving this mail because you are the
default CC recipient";
	}

and that should do it.

here, I wrote a subscription functionality for bugzilla, where you can
subscribe to new/changed bugs on a per product/component basis, and
that's kind of how we integrated it into BugMail.pm.

note that this is from a forked BugMail.pm from approximately 8 months
ago; this module may totally have changed since then, so YMMV. also,
this won't work correctly if that email address you want everything sent
to is also in bugzilla currently (that email will always receive email
for the same reason that you defined before)..

-jon

-- 
Jonathan Schatz
Engineering System Administrator
VMware, Inc
"Te occidere possunt sed te edere non possunt nefas est."





From ed.fuentetaja at ttu.edu  Fri Sep 26 14:55:23 2003
From: ed.fuentetaja at ttu.edu (Fuentetaja, Ed)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:55:23 -0500
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla
Message-ID: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD06146C7F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>

Hi all,

This is my first post to the list, although I've been using Bugzilla for
several years.

I was looking recently for a Test Case Management system that I could
integrate with Bugzilla. To my surprise it was really difficult to find
anything. The best I could find was TestRunner by Maciej Maczynski, at:
http://www.xdsnet.pl/~macmac. Unfortunately his version only works with
Bugzilla 2.12. Maciej hasn't had the time to carry on with the project.

I have recently finished porting TestRunner to Bugzilla 2.16.3. I think
that TestRunner is a really interesting complement to Bugzilla. I've
worked for some years in QA and testing areas. I believe that a tool
that integrates bug tracking with the ability to document test cases and
keep track of test executions (what tests where run for a product's
version, did they failed or succeeded?, and what bugs were discovered by
a given test case) is a basic need in software shops that can afford
full time QA staff.

It would be a real shame if Maciej efforts get wasted because I thing he
has done a great job and put a lot of thought in his tool. In addition,
you know that many commercial bugtracking systems offer integration with
their own proprietary test case management systems. I believe there is a
niche for such tools.

I have TestRunner working at http://129.118.91.112/bugzilla16 You are
welcome to enter and take a look. Refer also to TestRunner's web page
for additional documentation.

I should be able to commit some time to maintain this project. I would
like to know if anyone else thinks that TestRunner is worth to be part
of Bugzilla, maybe as an optional add-on, and what would be the steps
necessary to be there.

Thank you all,

	Ed Fuentetaja



From Ron.Loxton at earthtech.ca  Fri Sep 26 15:11:55 2003
From: Ron.Loxton at earthtech.ca (Loxton, Ron)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:11:55 -0400
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla
Message-ID: <A9ABF95BEAE66A4E9D809CE229DE057F6F6BEC@catormail01.et.rootad.com>

Ed:

	Would love to look at TestRunner. Do I need to create an account or
is there a dummy account?

Thx

Ron Loxton
Senior Database Administrator
Earth Tech Canada
P: 905.886.7022
F: 905.886.9494

-----Original Message-----
From: Fuentetaja, Ed [mailto:ed.fuentetaja at ttu.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:55 AM
To: developers at bugzilla.org
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla


Hi all,

This is my first post to the list, although I've been using Bugzilla for
several years.

I was looking recently for a Test Case Management system that I could
integrate with Bugzilla. To my surprise it was really difficult to find
anything. The best I could find was TestRunner by Maciej Maczynski, at:
http://www.xdsnet.pl/~macmac. Unfortunately his version only works with
Bugzilla 2.12. Maciej hasn't had the time to carry on with the project.

I have recently finished porting TestRunner to Bugzilla 2.16.3. I think
that TestRunner is a really interesting complement to Bugzilla. I've
worked for some years in QA and testing areas. I believe that a tool
that integrates bug tracking with the ability to document test cases and
keep track of test executions (what tests where run for a product's
version, did they failed or succeeded?, and what bugs were discovered by
a given test case) is a basic need in software shops that can afford
full time QA staff.

It would be a real shame if Maciej efforts get wasted because I thing he
has done a great job and put a lot of thought in his tool. In addition,
you know that many commercial bugtracking systems offer integration with
their own proprietary test case management systems. I believe there is a
niche for such tools.

I have TestRunner working at http://129.118.91.112/bugzilla16 You are
welcome to enter and take a look. Refer also to TestRunner's web page
for additional documentation.

I should be able to commit some time to maintain this project. I would
like to know if anyone else thinks that TestRunner is worth to be part
of Bugzilla, maybe as an optional add-on, and what would be the steps
necessary to be there.

Thank you all,

	Ed Fuentetaja

-
To view or change your list settings, click here:
<http://bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=ron.loxton at earthtech.ca>


From dswegen at software.plasmon.com  Fri Sep 26 15:24:52 2003
From: dswegen at software.plasmon.com (Dave Swegen)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:24:52 +0100
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla
In-Reply-To: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD06146C7F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>
References: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD06146C7F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>
Message-ID: <20030926152452.GC29464@software.plasmon>

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:55:23AM -0500, Fuentetaja, Ed wrote:
> 
> I have TestRunner working at http://129.118.91.112/bugzilla16 You are
> welcome to enter and take a look. Refer also to TestRunner's web page
> for additional documentation.
> 
> I should be able to commit some time to maintain this project. I would
> like to know if anyone else thinks that TestRunner is worth to be part
> of Bugzilla, maybe as an optional add-on, and what would be the steps
> necessary to be there.

I had a quick look at it, and it looks interesting. I've pointed our
head QA guy at it, and if he thinks it looks useful we _might_ be able
to put some effort into it (initially getting it to work with 2.17.n).

> 
> Thank you all,

Thank you for pointing it out to us, and making an test install
available :)

Cheers
    Dave


From ainasadia at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 17:16:21 2003
From: ainasadia at yahoo.com (sadia aina)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: problem in understanding attachments
Message-ID: <20030926171621.50878.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com>



 I am working on bugzilla database for software
quality
project. i got few problems in understanding bugzilla.

1)when a bug is fixed is it necasary that every bug
contains a patch.

2) if the bug is fixed without attaching patch ,what
other possibiliteis are.

3)Is there any realtion between bug with high risk to
patches.

Aina

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From caillon at returnzero.com  Fri Sep 26 18:03:22 2003
From: caillon at returnzero.com (Christopher Aillon)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:03:22 -0600
Subject: problem in understanding attachments
In-Reply-To: <20030926171621.50878.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030926171621.50878.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F747F6A.8020502@returnzero.com>

sadia aina wrote:

> I am working on bugzilla database for software
>quality
>project. i got few problems in understanding bugzilla.
>
>1)when a bug is fixed is it necasary that every bug
>contains a patch.
>

That depends on your development policy.  Bugzilla does not require it 
to be so.

>2) if the bug is fixed without attaching patch ,what
>other possibiliteis are.
>
I'm not entirely sure what you are asking but that again sounds like a 
policy decision your project manager will need to make.

>3)Is there any realtion between bug with high risk to
>patches.
>
Do you mean the high risk keyword?  Each bugzilla can make its own 
keywords, and define their own meanings.  Check with your bugzilla 
maintainer, or look at http://www.YOURBUGZILLAHERE.com/describekeywords.cgi


Bugzilla is just a piece of software.  Like other pieces of software, it 
is up to certain people how they are used.  For example, some people use 
windows for productivity work.  Some use it for games.  You need to 
figure out how your bugzilla instance is being used.

Chris



From preed at sigkill.com  Fri Sep 26 19:18:42 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:18:42 -0700
Subject: problem in understanding attachments
In-Reply-To: <20030926171621.50878.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030926171621.50878.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030926191842.GB4513@sigkill.com>

On 26 Sep 2003 at 10:16:21, sadia aina arranged the bits on my disk to say:

> 2) if the bug is fixed without attaching patch ,what
> other possibiliteis are.

RESOLVED -> DUPLICATE
RESOLVED -> INVALID
RESOLVED -> WONTFIX
RESOLVED -> WORKSFORME

Just to name a few...

Later,
Paul
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From bruce at heerssen.com  Mon Sep 29 16:55:40 2003
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:55:40 -0500
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
Message-ID: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>

Good day,

I just finished my first install of bugzilla. By and large, it went 
really well. I did have one problem in the configuration settings. The 
explanation of the cookiepath parameter was unclear to me, causing me to 
enter '/bugzilla/' instead of just '/'. My installation is at 
/var/www/html/bugzilla. I have included a suggested FAQ entry at the 
request of kiko over at #mozwebtools.

Best regards,

Bruce Heerssen

------


      Why do users have to login again with each request?

The cookiepath parameter is not set or is set incorrectly. This 
parameter sets the path parameter of the cookies that are sent to users' 
browsers. It should point to the directory immediately above that of 
your bugzilla installation. For instance, if your installation resides 
at http://www.yourserver.com/bugzilla, then the cookiepath parameter 
should be a single slash [/] mark indicating the root document directory.

------
Suggested markup with appropriate <code> tags:

<h3>Why do users have to login again with each request?</h3>

<p>The <code>cookiepath</code> parameter is not set or is set 
incorrectly. This parameter sets the
<code>path</code> parameter of the cookies that are sent to users' 
browsers. It should point to the directory immediately above
that of your bugzilla installation. For instance, if your installation 
resides at <code>http://www.yourserver.com/bugzilla</code>, then the
<code>cookiepath</code> parameter should be a single slash [/] mark 
indicating the root document directory.</p>





From kiko at async.com.br  Mon Sep 29 17:26:57 2003
From: kiko at async.com.br (Christian Reis)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:26:57 -0300
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
References: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <20030929172657.GB2439@async.com.br>

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:55:40AM -0500, Bruce Heerssen wrote:
> The cookiepath parameter is not set or is set incorrectly. This 
> parameter sets the path parameter of the cookies that are sent to users' 
> browsers. It should point to the directory immediately above that of 
> your bugzilla installation. For instance, if your installation resides 
> at http://www.yourserver.com/bugzilla, then the cookiepath parameter 
> should be a single slash [/] mark indicating the root document directory.

Hmm, is this the full truth? I thought cookiepath could be bugzilla/ in
that case -- can't it?

Take care,
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From gerv at mozilla.org  Mon Sep 29 18:02:54 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:54 +0100
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
References: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <3F7873CE.2060504@mozilla.org>

Bruce Heerssen wrote:

> I just finished my first install of bugzilla. By and large, it went 
> really well. I did have one problem in the configuration settings. The 
> explanation of the cookiepath parameter was unclear to me, causing me to 
> enter '/bugzilla/' instead of just '/'. My installation is at 
> /var/www/html/bugzilla. I have included a suggested FAQ entry at the 
> request of kiko over at #mozwebtools.

Surely if the explanation is unclear, we need to fix the explanation 
rather than add a FAQ? :-)

Gerv



From kiko at async.com.br  Mon Sep 29 18:12:43 2003
From: kiko at async.com.br (Christian Reis)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:12:43 -0300
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3F7873CE.2060504@mozilla.org>
References: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com> <3F7873CE.2060504@mozilla.org>
Message-ID: <20030929181243.GF2439@async.com.br>

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:02:54PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote:
> Bruce Heerssen wrote:
> 
> >I just finished my first install of bugzilla. By and large, it went 
> >really well. I did have one problem in the configuration settings. The 
> >explanation of the cookiepath parameter was unclear to me, causing me to 
> >enter '/bugzilla/' instead of just '/'. My installation is at 
> >/var/www/html/bugzilla. I have included a suggested FAQ entry at the 
> >request of kiko over at #mozwebtools.
> 
> Surely if the explanation is unclear, we need to fix the explanation 
> rather than add a FAQ? :-)

Well, the FAQ is a good quick reference document -- I have a lot of experience
maintaining the PyGTK FAQ [1], and it is acessed a *lot* more frequently
than the reference or tuturial. 

And this in particular makes for a good FAQ entry, because it's a simple
and frequent question -- no matter what we want, people are reluctant to
read through the whole docs to find one miserable answer :-)

[1] http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/

Take care,
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From gerv at mozilla.org  Mon Sep 29 21:35:45 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Fwd: BuZilla List]
Message-ID: <3F78A5B1.2000209@mozilla.org>

Even spammers use Bugzilla...

(Their software appears to be for bulk mailing.)

Gerv

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: BuZilla List
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:05:03 +0200
From: Martin Bucher <bucher at inxnet.de>
To: gerv at mozilla.org

Hi Gerv,

my company is using BugZilla now for about 6 months - and we very much
like it!

The BugZilla is not publicly accessible, for our customers only.

We track tickets for our E-Marketing software. You may well list us in
the BugZilla List.

Website is: http://www.inxmail.com

Best regards,
Martin

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From gerv at mozilla.org  Mon Sep 29 22:10:50 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:10:50 +0100
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
In-Reply-To: <20030929181243.GF2439@async.com.br>
References: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com> <3F7873CE.2060504@mozilla.org> <20030929181243.GF2439@async.com.br>
Message-ID: <3F78ADEA.6070003@mozilla.org>

Christian Reis wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:02:54PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote:
>>Surely if the explanation is unclear, we need to fix the explanation 
>>rather than add a FAQ? :-)
> 
> Well, the FAQ is a good quick reference document -- I have a lot of experience
> maintaining the PyGTK FAQ [1], and it is acessed a *lot* more frequently
> than the reference or tuturial. 

Well, OK. s/rather than/as well as/.

Gerv



From gerv at mozilla.org  Mon Sep 29 22:21:49 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:21:49 +0100
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla
In-Reply-To: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD06146C7F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>
References: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD06146C7F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F78B07D.7010703@mozilla.org>

Fuentetaja, Ed wrote:
> I should be able to commit some time to maintain this project. I would
> like to know if anyone else thinks that TestRunner is worth to be part
> of Bugzilla, maybe as an optional add-on, and what would be the steps
> necessary to be there.

 From a 30-second look, I'd say that it would be cool to have a unit 
test add-on for Bugzilla, but we wouldn't want it to be part of the core 
- that way lies bloat.

The UI seems quite confusing, with a lot of jargon. (This is not your 
fault, presumably. :-) It's hard to work out how it works, and what all 
the bits do, and why they are there.

zach at zachlipton.com was working on a test case management system called 
Litmus - perhaps you two should hook up.

Gerv



From ainasadia at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 30 15:29:02 2003
From: ainasadia at yahoo.com (sadia aina)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: bugzillla database upgradation via cvs
Message-ID: <20030930152902.65438.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>


  hi, I am using working on bugzilla database running
under mysql,and i need to update the contents of
databse via cvs. can anybody suggest how to do it.
thanks.

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From justdave at bugzilla.org  Tue Sep 30 15:52:08 2003
From: justdave at bugzilla.org (David Miller)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:52:08 -0400
Subject: bugzillla database upgradation via cvs
In-Reply-To: <20030930152902.65438.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030930152902.65438.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002003bb9f557ff47f@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/30/2003 8:29 AM -0700, sadia aina wrote:

>   hi, I am using working on bugzilla database running
> under mysql,and i need to update the contents of
> databse via cvs. can anybody suggest how to do it.
> thanks.

1) make a backup of both your Bugzilla directory and the database.
   a) for the Bugzilla directory this is as easy as doing
      "cp -rp bugzilla bugzilla.bak"
   b) for the database, there's a number of options - see the MySQL docs
      and pick the one that fits you best (The easiest is to just make
      a physical copy of the database on the disk, but you have to have
      the database server shut down to do that without dataloss)
2) cd into your Bugzilla directory
3) cvs -q update -AdP     <-- if you want to update to the tip
   cvs -q update -dP -rTAGNAME    <-- if you want a specific version
     make sure to replace TAGNAME with BUGZILLA-2_16_3 or BUGZILLA-2_17_4
   If you've made no local changes, this should be very clean.  If you
   have made local changes, then watch the cvs output for C results...
   if you get any lines that start with a C it means there were conflicts
   between your local changes and what's in CVS.  You'll need to fix those
   manually before continuing.
4) ./checksetup.pl
   This will take care up updating the database for you as well as any
   other changes required for the new version to operate.

WARNING: Once you run checksetup.pl, the only way to go back is to restore
the backups.  You can't "downgrade" the system cleanly under most
circumstances.
-- 
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http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From justdave at bugzilla.org  Tue Sep 30 15:59:46 2003
From: justdave at bugzilla.org (David Miller)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: New Q:A for FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
References: <3F78640C.1040104@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bb9f576f68dd@[192.168.1.204]>

On 9/29/2003 11:55 AM -0500, Bruce Heerssen wrote:

>       Why do users have to login again with each request?
>
> The cookiepath parameter is not set or is set incorrectly. This
> parameter sets the path parameter of the cookies that are sent to users'
> browsers. It should point to the directory immediately above that of
> your bugzilla installation. For instance, if your installation resides
> at http://www.yourserver.com/bugzilla, then the cookiepath parameter
> should be a single slash [/] mark indicating the root document directory.

This is not the correct answer.

If the URL to your Bugzilla is http://www.yourserver.com/bugzilla/ then the
cookiepath should be "/bugzilla/".  It is the actual directory containing
your Bugzilla installation, **as seen by the end-user's web browser**.
Leading and trailing slashes are mandatory.  You can put any directory
above the Bugzilla directory for the cookiepath.  But you can't put
something that isn't at least a partial match or it won't work.  What
you're actually doing is restricting the end-user's browser to sending the
cookies back only to that directory.

If you have more than one Bugzilla running on the server (some people do -
we do on landfill :)  then you need to have the cookiepath restricted
enough so that the different Bugzillas don't confuse their cookies with one
another.

On the other hand, if it's the only Bugzilla on the server, and you don't
mind having other applications on the same server with it being able to see
the cookies (you might be doing this on purpose if you have other things on
your site that share authentication with Bugzilla), then you'll want to
have the cookiepath set to "/", or to a sufficiently-high enough directory
that all of the involved apps can see the cookies.
-- 
Dave Miller      Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System
http://www.justdave.net/             http://www.bugzilla.org/


From ainasadia at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 30 16:26:49 2003
From: ainasadia at yahoo.com (sadia aina)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: please advice
Message-ID: <20030930162649.95751.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>




  hello, i am working on bugzilla database as research
project. I am not understanding few things related to
patches.

1. every bug that is fixed needs a patch, but i can
see on query page in which there are fixed bugs whose
attachment is not a patch, why? is test case or some
text file could be used to fix a bug.

2, I got a bugzilla database, in which number of fixed
bugs is about 52,252 but number of attachments is
15,513 and number of patches is 4662. I dont
understand
these statistics, the number of attachments shoud be
greater than number of fixed bugs.

3. If every fixed bug needs a patch then why the
ispatch feild in attachments table can contain a null
value.

Aina Sadia

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From vijayan.reddy at tavant.com  Tue Sep 30 16:46:58 2003
From: vijayan.reddy at tavant.com (Vijayan.R.A.Reddy)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:16:58 +0530
Subject: A set of issues.
Message-ID: <1064940418.5766.134.camel@tools.india.tavant.com>

Hello folks,

We have a few questions on Bugzilla.

1) The Bugzilla (talking about 2.16.3), doesnt have a way to define
roles, and to restrict roles pertaining to States. Something like a QA
Role should not move a bug to "RESOLVED" state. Is there a way to
implement this (NO. not through setting "can edit a bug" off... I need
my QA to edit the bug if they need to add more description after filing
a bug).

Is there a way to do it without changing the code ?

2) Is there a way by which we can configure the workflow of the bug ?
I have done it through changing the code. But we require defining
different workflows on product basis, including the states and the state
transformations. Is it possible, again without changing the code ?

3) Has anyone tried having multiple instances of Bugzilla running, each
for a different group {something like that} and have these Bugzilla's in
sync. Like moving issues from one bugzilla to another, where they have
two different databases { really, that's my requirement :) }

I am going to write some code to do that. So any help from someone who
tried it would be helpful


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From kiko at async.com.br  Tue Sep 30 18:03:32 2003
From: kiko at async.com.br (Christian Reis)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:03:32 -0300
Subject: A set of issues.
In-Reply-To: <1064940418.5766.134.camel@tools.india.tavant.com>
References: <1064940418.5766.134.camel@tools.india.tavant.com>
Message-ID: <20030930180332.GA974@async.com.br>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:16:58PM +0530, Vijayan.R.A.Reddy wrote:
> 3) Has anyone tried having multiple instances of Bugzilla running, each
> for a different group {something like that} and have these Bugzilla's in
> sync. Like moving issues from one bugzilla to another, where they have
> two different databases { really, that's my requirement :) }

This functionality, at least, is present in Bugzilla (and has been for a
long time -- it was used to move bugs between the public Bugzilla and
Bugscape, the internal instance used by Netscape). 

Look at the move-* parameters, in particular move-enabled, which turns
this feature on.

Take care,
--
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From kiko at async.com.br  Tue Sep 30 18:13:45 2003
From: kiko at async.com.br (Christian Reis)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:13:45 -0300
Subject: please advice
In-Reply-To: <20030930162649.95751.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030930162649.95751.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030930181345.GB974@async.com.br>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:26:49AM -0700, sadia aina wrote:
> 1. every bug that is fixed needs a patch, but i can
> see on query page in which there are fixed bugs whose
> attachment is not a patch, why? is test case or some
> text file could be used to fix a bug.

Every rule has an exception, too :-) Occasionally, a bug will be

    - FIXED without a patch because the solution was trivial
    - FIXED without a patch because the module it touches doesn't
      require peer review (I think Phoenix/Firebird went through this
      phase, and maybe for many changes it still does)
    - FIXED without a patch because somebody selected the wrong
      Resolution (it should have been WORKSFORME, for instance).

The main point is that the module defines the review process (and not
all modules require review) *and* that this is a human process, and as
such, people make mistakes, forget, ignore policy, etc.

> 3. If every fixed bug needs a patch then why the
> ispatch feild in attachments table can contain a null
> value.

Because not all attachments are necessarily patches?

Take care,
--
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From ed.fuentetaja at ttu.edu  Tue Sep 30 21:09:43 2003
From: ed.fuentetaja at ttu.edu (Fuentetaja, Ed)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: Test Case Manager for Bugzilla
Message-ID: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD15F41B@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu>

Markham, Gervase wrote:
>From a 30-second look, I'd say that it would be cool to have a unit 
>test add-on for Bugzilla, but we wouldn't want it to be part of the
core 
>- that way lies bloat.

I totally agree with you. Not everyone using Bugzilla needs a test case 
management system. TestRunner should be some kind of optional add-on or 
plugin.

>The UI seems quite confusing, with a lot of jargon. (This is not your 
>fault, presumably. :-) It's hard to work out how it works, and what all

>the bits do, and why they are there.

Well, I didn't find the interface that confusing, maybe because I've 
used other test case management applications in the past, or maybe I'm
accustomed to the jargon.

I've added a link to the Test Runner manual to the main page:
http://129.118.91.112/bugzilla16

>zach at zachlipton.com was working on a test case management system called

>Litmus - perhaps you two should hook up.

Thanks, this is the first time I heard of Litmus. Anyway, testrunner is
a finished product (well, as finished as any software product can be),
it
works, and does everything I ask to this kind of tool. I think I'm gonna

stick with it and propose it as the test case tool for our department.

Thanks for your input,

	Ed



From gerv at mozilla.org  Tue Sep 30 22:55:37 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:55:37 +0100
Subject: please advice
In-Reply-To: <20030930162649.95751.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030930162649.95751.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F7A09E9.8040707@mozilla.org>

sadia aina wrote:
> 1. every bug that is fixed needs a patch, but i can
> see on query page in which there are fixed bugs whose
> attachment is not a patch, why? is test case or some
> text file could be used to fix a bug.

A few possible reasons: some are marked "fixed" when the patch in 
another bug actually fixes them. Sometimes people don't click the 
"patch" box. Sometimes people upload their patch as a zip, and so can't 
- because currently things marked as patches are served as text/plain (I 
think.)

> 2, I got a bugzilla database, in which number of fixed
> bugs is about 52,252 but number of attachments is
> 15,513 and number of patches is 4662. I dont
> understand
> these statistics, the number of attachments shoud be
> greater than number of fixed bugs.

Not if the procedure of the developers involved means that the patch is 
not necessarily attached to the bug.

> 3. If every fixed bug needs a patch then why the
> ispatch feild in attachments table can contain a null
> value.

Because not every attachment is a patch.

Gerv




From gerv at mozilla.org  Tue Sep 30 22:57:46 2003
From: gerv at mozilla.org (Gervase Markham)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:57:46 +0100
Subject: A set of issues.
In-Reply-To: <1064940418.5766.134.camel@tools.india.tavant.com>
References: <1064940418.5766.134.camel@tools.india.tavant.com>
Message-ID: <3F7A0A6A.90909@mozilla.org>

Vijayan.R.A.Reddy wrote:
> 1) The Bugzilla (talking about 2.16.3), doesnt have a way to define
> roles, and to restrict roles pertaining to States. Something like a QA
> Role should not move a bug to "RESOLVED" state. Is there a way to
> implement this (NO. not through setting "can edit a bug" off... I need
> my QA to edit the bug if they need to add more description after filing
> a bug).
> 
> Is there a way to do it without changing the code ?

No. Educate your users. :-)

> 2) Is there a way by which we can configure the workflow of the bug ?
> I have done it through changing the code. But we require defining
> different workflows on product basis, including the states and the state
> transformations. Is it possible, again without changing the code ?

No. You can rename the states in the templates - i.e. have them display 
as different names - using as complicated logic as you like. But you 
can't change the flow.

> 3) Has anyone tried having multiple instances of Bugzilla running, each
> for a different group {something like that} and have these Bugzilla's in
> sync. Like moving issues from one bugzilla to another, where they have
> two different databases { really, that's my requirement :) }

What exactly do you mean by "having them in sync"? You can have two 
Bugzillas, and you can move reports between them (although it's fiddly, 
and they get a new bug number.)

Gerv